Pain Medication Cut Downs (Page 2)

Is it just me or is all the pain management docs trying to cut everyone down or back!!?? When I went to my last visit the doc had the nerve to ask me if I still needed my Oxymorphone 20mg ER (56). I was like YEAH, what do you think?! This is after they closed down for 3 months and I had to switch to Subutex to not get sick. And I got dropped from the 30mg oxymorphone. And by the way the 20'mgs are garbage. Then my doc asked me to get an MRI on my lower back, which I did the month prior. It just goes to show what a dumb ass he is and how they're so not in tune to what is going on! All they want to do is lower and lower your meds. Has anyone else had their doc try and taper them down or try and lower your stuff? By the way, I'm in south FL.

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I'm in Australia. I think same is happening here. All it seems to take is some famous rock star to make a pig of themselves and have too much because they are so depressed with all the $$ they are making. Media gets hold of it and everybody in real pain pays the price and has to put up with pain. Either that or there's a lot of shares in Suboxone getting sold. I've actually heard of people going into precipitated withdrawals with it. Also heard it's no wonder drug, just about impossible to get off of, plus the mental side depression etc. My opinion on what i have seen. Thanks.

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Re: Beth (# 19)

I agree with you. I have also been saying that the plan is to get all pain patients on "legal" marijuana. Big huge money for the government in the taxes ... look at the tax on cigarettes, alcohol, well actually, look at the tax on everything we consume. It’s not so far fetched to believe or think, hmmm they want to force us to consume cbd and smoke marijuana to reduce pain. Long time ago I heard that there is as much nicotine in one joint as there is in a whole pack of cigarettes. Don’t know how much truth there is in that, don’t have the energy to research it. Guess if they get us smoking pot up goes the amount of people needing lung treatment. I seem to be losing track here with my wayward thoughts. I don’t even like pot, hate that buzzed in the brain feeling, the body aches, and lazy, don’t feel like doing anything but sleeping feeling pot gives me. Funny, my start on anti opioid 7.5 seem to be doing the same thing to me. Conspiracy theory that they want the tax money on pot I think that in the coming months the conspiracy will be realitym it’s all about money.

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Re: Joseph (# 1)

I have been through this battle for 14yrs and suffer horribly because since they changed the class of drugs...Ex: hydrocodone helped but my dr is afraid to prescribe it so now the only alternative for me is Tylenol 4 ..It's pure craziness and look up how toxic Tylenol can be..Lord help all who are suffering for others bad choices.. We have no control over our bodies unless of course we want to have an abortion (take a life)?? It's just pure evil all around.

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Shoot, I've had friends that have been completely cut off after being on high doses of pain meds for over 5 years and all of a sudden just cut off completely... no explanation, not asked to set appointment to discuss it, nothing for the withdrawal, no going over what they are probably going to experience, nothing. Just cut off. And I don't know how they expect people to cope when that happens.

My friends had lost hope. They have chronic pain and we are just a number and it's the president of the United States who's having doctors do this cuz they're such an epidemic. But the people that really need them don't get them anymore! If doctors didn't overload themselves with patients and they might be able to know what's going on and you wouldn't be a number with an insurance claim. You would be an actual human being with a first and last name, but that's never going to be the case so what do you do!

You find a doctor who does care, one who actually has more than 3 minutes to sit down and listen to your situation and a doctor who wants you to get better ... not a doctor who doesn't. Shoot, if you're better, how are they going to make any money if you don't have to come back in a week or two? Think about that. There are good doctors out there, trust me. You just need to find one that will know you by name when you come in and will actually listen to your situation because they're a good doctor and that's what they do. So look around, that's my advice!

I was asked the other day to fill out a 3 page form about my symptoms and my past surgeries, allergies and so forth, and when I got to see the doctor he said "have you had any surgeries or are you allergic to anything?", and every question that I answered on that form. He asked me because he didn't have a minute to read it before he walked into my room. I had waited 20 minutes past the time I was supposed to be there and he spent three minutes with me. He told me that I'm depressed after I answered three questions and handed me a script for antidepressants. All that transpired within 3 minutes of him being in the room. It was laughable really.

My daughter was scheduled 3 months out because they didn't have time to do it any sooner than 3 months. We waited the whole 3 months, finally got to see the dermatologist, and the dermatologist laughed at my daughter and gave her some cream. And that happened in about 4 minutes and cost us $325 cuz it was a specialist that we had been referred to. So it's just a terrible terrible industry and it's a crime. Really, you're not alone, and I feel your pain. I'll pray for you!

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Re: Big red balloon (# 22)

I think the government wants as many people doped on pot as they can get. Jobs aren't what they used to be and the prediction that everyone is going to be replaced with robotics becoming scary to people because there's no plan on how we're going to address this let alone that whole climate change issue which could be a huge problem or it could pass we don't know. All these big unknowns with a President that scares the bejesus out of most of us and there's no better time to quiet the public and dope them up which will relieve the general anxiety and keep the government from being overthrown.

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Re: Big red balloon (# 22)

The actual amount is five times the nicotine found in a cigarette.

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Hey just for everyone's 411, if you plan on stopping suboxone only to get back on it a short time afterwards, you will be forced to seek counseling or some kind of drug rehab here in the USA unless you're already taking it. If you have been on it for 4 or 5 months you are grandfathered in to where you don't have too. If you are going to switch doctors or anything like that you will have to seek drug counseling. It's the new law that has just been placed on every doctor here. If you don't they can not treat you. Like its not expensive enough and degrading already!!!

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Re: CityguyUSA (# 25)

Look up agenda 21, Not just robotics but the United Nations would just assume get rid of us all together . Pretty soon will we be told what to eat and where we can and cant live. Agenda 21 is already in motion . Talk about scary a future. We haven't seen anything yet , tapering our pain meds is just the beginning !

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Look up agenda 21, the United Nations would just assume get rid of us all together. Pretty soon will we be told what to eat and where we can and cant live. Agenda 21 is already in motion . Talk about scary a future. We haven't seen anything yet , tapering our pain medications is just the beginning of how we are are going to be controlled.

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Yes, a year ago this month I was cut off oxymorphone from 2 ten mg IR and two 20 mg ER. I was on them for 6 years. I was given a 60 pill script of 5 mg pills to wean. What a joke. I was told I tested positive for morphine and I have never had or done morphine outside of a surgery in my life. I tried Suboxone and my pain was horrible so now I'm on methadone; best decision of my life!!!

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I am also in South Florida and took some cuts about 3 years ago but in just two visits both my long acting and break thru meds have been cut in half. If that is not enough the doctor would not see me when I called to tell him I was having a very difficult time. My last appointment when he reduced my medications for the second time... when I tried to tell him I was already having a difficult enough time; he told me if I did not like his treatment plan I needed to find another doctor which I am sure is what he wants. I wont go into what all has happened since his quick taper but it is far from pretty. I lost 20 pounds and can no longer take care of myself. I am currently staying with a good friend but I am going to have to do something else for the long term. I am only 60 years old and pain is no way to have to live but knowing that there is medication that helps that I can no longer get is killing me!

I am damn tired of hearing that these medications do not work for chronic pain! They are brainwashing people and getting those that do not need them to believe that lie!

I will never let another doctor do surgery on me. That was the start of my hell! I had pain before that but nothing like they left me with after the surgery that was supposed to get me back to my job as a flight attendant!

Lastly, I would look for another doctor but I know this is happening everywhere because the DEA have our doctors afraid of losing their licenses or worse.
In California they are using the database that was to make sure patients were not using more than one doctor to get medication but in California they are tracking every person who overdosed and using the database to see who treated these people with what drugs before they died. They are investigating the deaths. California doctors like doctors everywhere, are afraid to treat patients with pain! Below you will find a link to that article.

Source: "'Death Certificate Project' Terrifies California Doctors". medpagetoday.com. Web. August 30, 2018

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Re: DyingOfPain (# 31)

It must be nationwide! Here in Tennessee too! It's awful! Just like the 2nd amendment protecting people from the government telling them what to do with their guns, to me its the same thing as the dea (the government!) telling doctors what to do!! This is not a legal issue but more a medical one!!! Yes, there are crooks everywhere, but drs should not be afraid or scared to treat their patients! Something has to be done to appeal this law and the DEA’s bulls***! They really need to be on the border!! Any ideas out there???

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Re: Beth (# 30)

I have not lost all my medication ... YET! In 2 months my doctor. Cut both long acting and break thru mefs by half. This came after a large cut a few years ago!

With a doctor visit I am terrified of ... My plan is in place as my medication is not nearly enough as it! Doctors are killing us!
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Re: Tbones89 (# 15)

I guess they figure that not as many medications are needed since we are killing ourselves due to pain
AND when they reduce supply even more deaths will take place when people cant get pain under control when they can no longer get their scrips filled!

But Hey .... Getting a gun is still easy to end the missery!

They seem to have it all figured out!

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Re: John (# 3)

Wow,John,you are a rare bird.What I mean by that, is you are from the medical community and are experiencing what us "patients " have to go through, I am truly sorry for all the hurts you are having to go through. I wish you well.

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I live in Toronto, Canada and what’s going on here is like Nazi Germany. Our prime s*** has delved into the medical business. Our government now investigates its own drs. after some dope addict overdosed. This leaves his patients scrambling as he isn’t allowed to write scripts any longer until the investigation is over.

I have osteopenia of the spine as well as ddd and spinal stenosis. I was on 100 Fentanyl and now after being told I was a liar and pulled off the pain meds. I wound up in the hospital 7 times as the pain was critical. I came close to killing myself. The s*** who pulled me off the meds his name is Dr. Arsenio Avila I forgot to mention because I couldn’t travel any longer because of my back he dropped me as a patient. It turns out in June I couldn’t take it anymore and finally went to the hospital who gave me the benefit of the doubt and did a ct scan only to find a broken back. I suffered for four years as this jerk didn’t send me for an X-ray, ct or mri. If I wasn’t on the Fentanyl it would have been much much worse.

I also take a medication for sleep as I have MS and it wiped out the entire sleep center of my brain. I literally couldn’t sleep any longer up to 10-12 days at a time I’d be awake until I’d enter a sleep deprivation psychosis. The govt up here for the last 26 years paid for the drug for me as I can’t afford 25 zopiclone a night.

This year because of all the tweakers my file lit up as a red flag and the govt decided they won’t pay any longer and are threatening my doctor and doctors involved in my care with their licenses if they don’t stop a 26 year old script. I will die from the uncontrollable seizures and if I live through those I will be brain damaged and still won’t be able to sleep. In a psychosis who knows what can happen I can burn down my building who knows what will happen. I have two weeks of meds left then I will die shortly after.

This Canadian government who has a part time drama teacher as a prime minister with a bad taste for socks is going to kill its own citizen. O’ Canada we step on gaurd for thee!

It was nice meeting you all... I’m done and I will be the first of many. Buy your meds and build a stash. Protect yourself! Your government is more screwed up then mine with Donald Dump. Good luck you all today I am making my arrangements as I won’t go through what will happen to me, I will die by my own hand first then go through what’s in store. Not even mentioning the pain meds they dropped me to 6 mg hydro on tin with 2 mg hydro for breakthrough. No more work no more going out. Can’t shop for food anymore you drug addicts didn’t just kill yourselves you did us in too. You were a waste of air to begin with and your doc didn’t put the needle in your arm, you did. Stupid s***! You have made a mess for people in chronic pain and disease, thanks a lot. I have no sympathy or empathy for you or your families who knew what you were doing and did nothing. It wasn’t just their fault the families did nothing either. I have to die because of you degenerates. It’s good you’re dead or I’d do it myself if you wanted to die so badly.

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I heard they quit making Opana amidst purported "opioid epidemic" . (Dopers will die one way or the other!) Drs./Pharms stigmatize suffering patients with verifiable conditions. I get oxycodone 30 mg. 5 day. Big problem is my 3 mg. day xanax! They say refill illegal (not on class 3), I nearly run out between scripts, when never fill early or do tricks "abusers" do! I request ER, denied when 3 x 1 mg IR don't last and split trying to. Have PTSD, no more! Severe panic attacks, anxiety disorder from chronic child/adult abuse, man made Cali DEW fires, etc. SITUATIONAL issues.

They push SSRI, SSNI dont work, make me very ill! They assert a chemical imbalance w/o test! More deadly, addictive; most all makers sued, (Lilly) yet still prescribed! Dr. Breggin, a shrink, says psych drugs are bad! High IQ, successful, perfect health. Stressed with life, incompetent liar Drs! Big pharma wants that $$$! Cant believe they don't want to sell meds. Plus, agenda 2030 depop perfect for BS 'epidemic'! They burn us alive now, so let dumb abusers die, less for them to kill. We disabled elders know how to take our meds and sick of lying Drs.!! Not much time left, so please let us die in semi comfort!

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Re: Erin (# 37)

Dear Erin, I understand your frustrations, but many people turn to street drugs after being cut off from doctors or have lost insurance, or even homeless people. Some of these are our returning vets that have horrible problems, PTSD, unable to integrate back into society, family problems from them not understanding that they just can't snap out of it, the list is endless. War is hell, and it doesn't just end when they get off the battlefield. Please have compassion, because we have not walked in their combat boots.

I understand your frustration though. I was married to a doctor who told me to shut up all the time, I had been bleeding for 4 years, extreme pain, nauseous all the time. He took me to the hospital to get an ultrasound. It showed a solid mass as big as a grapefruit.The surgeon was my family's neighbor, a great guy, he asked me if he could call my mama for me. I said "Yes doc, and call me a good divorce lawyer too." My husband stormed out of the hospital and left me there. There is a good joke I like to tell - What is the difference between God and a doctor? God knows he is not a doctor.

I wish you well, I really do.

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I was taking 10 mg Hydrocodone 3 times daily. 2 months ago, my NP switched me to 7.5 mg. I asked her why, and she said the Doctor did it. Got the 7.5 for 2 months, then last week it was back to 10 mg. I didn't say anything. But no clue what that was about. I get it that there's abuse in several ways. But they need to understand that many of us can't function in life without help from pain meds.

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Re: John (# 3)

The only thing i can add to this is that i seem to notice that pain meds (opioids) from the manufacturer are weaker than they were a few years ago, and no this is not a case of getting resistants from long term use. I changed pharmacies and they had a different supplier/manufacturer that after 10 days i started withdrawals ( I am one of the unfortunate souls who is opioid resistant and after 2 years of trying to find some relief my pain specialist prescribed Methadone and VIOLA' it was if someone hit a switch though i did require large doses i was able to park that damn wheelchair and regain a semblance of a life it has been 11 years now and still working (taken as directed religiously) until the above mentioned brand change.I am retired Myotherapist (pain management through soft tissue manipulation)ironically retired due to my own pain brought on from AGENT ORANGE exposure, right here in Florida.(the governor in 1990 took the lobby cash and now AGENT ORANGE is used almost exclusively on all commercial vegetable farms in the state,"AND THE PUBLIC STILL HAS NO CLUE")

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