Help! Single Disabled Mom Wrongfully Kicked Out Of Pain Management (Page 3) (Top voted first)

Ok, this will be lengthy to include all the necessary details but can someone help please? My being able to raise my daughter depends on my necessary medicine. I have no clue where else to turn. I have DDD with 4 herniated as of 2014 MRI, adv & degenerative osteoarthritis of the spine, tarlov cysts, neuropathy and nerve compression so badly that my left leg will give out with little warning. My father and I went to our PM last week, only a few days after unexpectedly burying my oldest sister. I've been a very trustworthy patient of his for four years and my Dad just about one year. Doc puts us both in same room which he's never done before. Doc starts talking to my Dad who is clearly morose & then says to my Dad, I don't like your attitude, which again just answers to his questions in a monotone voice. I explained to dr we just buried my sister, my dad's daughter so he's not doing well. Honest to God, that pos says "So, we all go through stuff". My Dad & I exchanged looks as if to say did he really just say that? Then doc asks how the super-charger script that begins with an N is working & Dad said yes a bit. Then the Dr flat out lies and says yeah I've had patients on that for 6 months and they're down to 1 opiate a day. That's a lie. He only began prescribing them two months ago. My Dad says Doc Ido, I hope but don't see how that's possible. Doc says I'm not going to argue to which my Dad replies I'm having a conversation, not an argument. And he was...if my Dad was wrong I'd have called him on it. So we head out and his daughter the receptionist asks to reschedule, my Dad says he's not coming back and I said I was unsure. Called today to make an appt and I was told I'm no longer a patient. I asked why and she said you released yourself. I said no I didn't, my father did. This is a family run practice so no one to complain to. Oh and they also declined to send my records & said have your new Dr. request them. My question is I know I can't do anything just because he was a jerk to my Dad, but can I report him for lying about releasing myself thereby avoiding having to prescribe me one last time and for giving me no notice to go find a new Dr before I need my meds refilled? This last appt he was going to force me to continue inj's. suddenly when I haven't had one in a year because they don't work for more than a week on me. Dr got all weirded out a few months ago when his anesthesiologist was busted for supposedly not keeping correct docs & was fined $455k. My Dad thinks it was a set-up from the start...despite being excellent patients who never abused anything, never had dirty U/A, very rarely rescheduled appts and not once missed an appt, proof we're both permanently disabled from SS Disability... he wanted to dump us. Only thing we can figure is doc is or was def up to something sketchy & he knows my Dad is a retired cop and he doesn't want that around. So now my poor father and I are searching for new Dr at worst time. Does anyone know a good PM anywhere in the Chicagoland area who isn't afraid to prescribe, though I'm pretty far S/W of the city in Plainfield? I've tried everything in the world prior to getting on opiates and it is the only thing that has made my pain significantly retreat. I will take a new fancy OTC aspirin if it's strong enough, I just need to function and be in less pain. Custody of my 6 year old daughter depends on this...my life depends on this. How do they not see what this opiate crackdown is doing to legitimate chronic pain sufferers. Anyway, ty for those few who took time to read my novel. If you refer a good PM I would never use your name. Thank you all very much.

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I'm so sorry too hear of your mistreatment by this "Dr". I went through the same thing, including the records not being handed over. I had a surgeon insert bad prosthetic hips in me & can't find one to fix it. The pain has left me debilitated for a few years now. Plus I've got mold poisoning and mrsa, which causes extremely painful abcesses all over but if one falls on these prosthetics I'm really screwed! I ended up having to have a lawyer get my medical records & even that took 4 yrs which is when the statute to sue was up. It was a mess what they did to me & they got away with it. Now I see a pain Dr that seems to like to mess with his patients pee & lives. Ive always been 100% compliant with my meds but suddenly I've got oxycodone (which is the only thing that was in my system given to me by them, but barely enough to at least bring my pain to tolerable levels) & illicit drugs coming up which I've never done. Plus I now have a heart condition that my heart Dr says started from being forced to deal with the extreme pain from my hips as well as my other conditions and is so bad that being forced to deal with the pain again there's a 98% chance I will have a heart attack. The p.m. Dr doesn't care less at all! They're taking me off at super sonic speed so add in the stress of detox.... deadly to say the least. Dr's are getting away with screwing with their patients thanks to this opiate epidemic and getting away with it. There's not much you're gonna be able to do against him. I'd say try calling a few lawyers & see if someone can help. But them saying you chose to leave, you won't have much luck with that argument. It's a "he said - she said" situation. Sorry. Also, call the American medical association and tell them what the Dr did as well so at least it's on file. Best of luck to ya!

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I am pretty sure there is a way to file a complaint against this Dr. of yours. You can probably take him to a small claims court for wrongful termination and not filling a last script to hold you over until you’re able to find another doctor. But you get in touch with the people who doctors have to answer to: American Medical Society, something to that effect...

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Re: EL444 (# 4)

I’m in Chicago area I n need a new doctor for my daughter can you tell me what women doctor you found that is compassionate to people with chronic pain

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I’m from the Chgo area and may know a Doc. Very sad story.

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Re: EL444 (# 4)

Did your previous pain doctor write you a recommendation for the medical marijuana ? Does your dad also use medical marijuana ?

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Re: BL (# 16)

I have read El 444's post and I can't find anywhere in the post that refers to medical marijuana. WHY are you inquiring about their marijuana use? Medical marijuana is the kiss of death to getting ANY pain meds if you want a prescription written for opioid based pills (if you don't live in california). If my Doctor had done a U/A on me and found any traces of marijuana I would have been dismissed from his office. The Doctors Office was REQUIRED by law to do a U/A every three months. To get a prescription for ANY pain meds I would need to be able to prove I am free from things like marijuana and cocaine. The "medical marijuana" EXCUSE is just a scam that is used to get marijuana to smoke. I know that IN SOME FORMS marijuana has been found to be useful but normally that is in pill or liquid form and is obtained through medical sources and NOT through a retail store. The scams used to get a "medical marijuana" card in places like California are laughable. The Doctor at the marijuana store: "tell me where it hurts". The patient: "It hurts when I lift my arm". The Doctor: "okay, you get a medical marijuana card". It takes about 15 minutes and almost never is anyone refused a "medical marijuana" card. No medical records are ever asked for to support your "contention". If people really need prescription pain meds you had better not be found with marijuana in your urine and/or blood. At least in almost every State except california. The Doctors there will prescribe almost anything to anyone who says they need them. THEY are one of the main reasons that the rest of the Country is being put through this "opioid epidemic" baloney. Florida used to be a main contributor to this problem but they legislated it away as much as they could. California encourages drug use. PLEASE, don't respond back and say "smoking marijuana is the only thing that relieves my pain". For the most part that is baloney.

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Re: Nope (# 18)

I do not know N.H. law. You state that MOST N.H. Pain clinics do not have a problem with marijuana. Does that mean that some do? I know laws and regulations can vary from State to State and even locality to locality. If you want prescription pain meds in MOST States you had better not test+ for other drugs.

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Re: Silverlining (# 20)

You are so correct about being ignored by the various State and Federal legislators. I have contacted almost all of them (that represent my area) about this exact issue and have been totally ignored. No response whatsoever. This topic is the only one that I have been totally ignored on. One of the main areas that is concerning is that manufacturers are being sued and many of them just capitulate to the activist groups because they know it will take millions to defend themselves while the activist groups are represented by volunteer lawyers or State D.A. Offices. They know that they are fighting a losing cause but all they want to do is get the manufacturers to stop making the pain meds and it is working in many cases. Even if a manufacturer took a case to trial and won and were awarded their Court costs and Attorney's fees that the "activist groups" would just desolve and their would be no one there to pursue their award from. It is one thing to get a judgement. Collecting on that judgement is another issue altogether.

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VERWON (# 3) --

The last post that I did was actually for you I did not know I needed to type your name at the top. When I say that I think you might be connected to the site I don't mean any wrong or suspicion. By that I just mean that you've been on every medicine that I take that has had questions on and you always know the answers which is very beneficial and I thank you very much for having this knowledge. That is why I'm asking you because you usually seem to have the correct answers other than other people just saying what they heard. I did ask my pain doctor about this recently but before I read this post and he stated that the government is coming down on all Dr's but he does not know what's to come. he said we'll just go as we go until they get notice of whatever is going to happen. and this might be all the information we get. I am just really scared of ever having to go without many of my medications due to my illnesses and pain. I don't believe my other medicines that are not related to this will be a problem but I guess we never know. Thank you again for all your knowledgeable information, I tend to take your answers very seriously. and I know you have the best interest for all in mind that are really going through this, and we as patients of real p.m. doctors know that we have a risk of addiction because they tell us this in the beginning and throughout our visits. if this happens do you think there will be a slow down of prescriptions to let us go off them slowly or will they just cut us off if this happens? This is very scary to learn for all of us patients that really need them to live a somewhat normal life, I cannot work anymore but my pain meds and other meds that help with anxiety bipolar dementia and so on help me to at least do housework and smaller stuff like that, do you also know with dementia as you get worse and become withdrawn and forgetful, do you think the pain goes away in your brain because you don't recognize it?

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Re: Verwon (# 3)

My first post was about Keri. I think number 15 said that in 12 months no opioids will be available for anyone anywhere according to laws coming out something like that. So my question to you was do you know anything about this? And what should us people in pain that have legitimate pain and are legitimate patients of pain doctors do if this is going to happen? Should we try to cut down in advance to avoid a serious medical issue like coma or would this be wrong because it would show in our U/A, or will they slowly take us off these drugs to help with withdrawal as we slowly experience even more pain than we have while taking them overtime getting worse because we're without our medicine? This really scares me as I am in pain even with my medicines and I'd hate to go back to where I was before but it even scares me more to go completely without all at once, so I'm wondering what is the best thing for us to do, or will they give doctors notice so they can cut us down? Sorry if I'm not real clear. I try really hard as I have early onset dementia also and am in the next stage after early onset but I'm still here as most of me but not all of me at times which are getting more frequent. As I said thank you for your knowledge and participation in this site as it has helped me with all my medicines I take and I really take your advice seriously because you seem to know what you are talking about. I don't mean that all people don't know what they're talking about, I just mean you seem to have a legitimate medical degree or something like that. Thanks.

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I have been on pain meds (Norco 10s) for 10 years going from one up to 5 a day a little while ago, can't remember when I started 2 morphine Er 30 and went down to 3 Norco for pain that I still have daily. This has helped a lot. I have fibro, 6 knee surgeries, I have a disease in my knees called chondromalacia and I have severe arthritis in my back. I get occasional shots in my hips and I get radio frequency shots back. Thank you.

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Re: Patrice (# 24)

Hi Patricia! I can't say exactly what will happen to you, however, each state, clinic, physician is being handled differently as are the patients. I really don't believe they have a true guide line to follow. I was in PM for 9 years and on Morphine, Oxycontin and Oxycodone along with Lyrica. I was taken from these drugs at a rather rapid pace and I personally confronted my physician and told him while I agree to withdraw from pain drugs we will have to go at a 15% decrease rather than 40-50%. He agreed, but I will tell you that it is still hard but you will feel better mentally and somewhat physically. I use advil 12hr daily it helps but it does not take away the pain. I also use Advil PM to sleep this too helps. I am afraid as far as the government agencies are concerned we pain sufferers are just going to have to "tuff it". Makes me wonder if they tuff out the pain or take meds because their pain is so excruciating and they are important.

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Re: Gregg (# 9)

Can you share the doctors name in Chicago I need my daughter to change a doctor in Chicago thank you in advance

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Nope (# 29) --

Glad you live in a State that lets you get away with consuming marijuana AND get prescribed pain meds too. As I posted earlier I KNOW that in most States consuming marijuana will get you dismissed from any PM Office. There are posts on this site that back that up. IN MOST STATES it does not matter what the Doctor thinks about your marijuana use or if he/she cares. It comes down to the LAW in that State and locality. If people read your post and think that it will open the doors for consuming marijuana and getting their pain med prescriptions they will be sadly mistaken. IN MOST STATES that is a sure way to get thrown off a pain med regimen.

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Re: Really agitadated right shoulder Oxycontin guy who (# 34)

I got it! Lol But seriously, you do have a point& they are working for the citizens. Unfortunately it's on the citizens that have lost a family member to an O.D.. Well if I die due to their neglect my family's gonna become much louder than those they've been representing cuz I've got allot of years left that may be taken from me either due to death or remaining bedridden thanks to no meds!

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Re: pamelaQ (# 25)

Thank you for your return notes. Yes not sure what future will bring, they my pain doctor and my phyciatrist are already got to talk to me about being taken out of these as my dimensia becomes more disabling, thworried I will take more, but my husband sorts out my stuff and gives to me when needed he won't give me more if it's not due yet. I can't take aspirin or the other ones that are contain ibu due to a stomach thing. I could use better function if getting off these rely helps with it, but I am so afraid of be in pain at all times. Do you think my pain will go away as dimentia gets worse? They not to love long ago put me on adderall so I could function better and it has helped me to come back from being non animated and anti social cuz I feel very stupid around people, to at least up and doing housework and spending more time with people but only ones that I know really well very close too. Have a good time and how is your pain now that you don't take any?

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Re: Silverlining (# 32)

I am glad you are enthusiastic about this issue. There are a couple of issues that need to be considered. NORMALLY, every Doctor has some form of malpractice insurance. NORMALLY. With the cost of malpractice insurance skyrocketing many Doctors are just not getting malpractice insurance and they tell you up front about it. These "Doctors" have all sorts of layers of protections to protect their personal assets and so all you could do is try to collect whatever you could. MOST "government entities" and their employees have some sort of immunity against litigation. This means that your attorney actually has to send a letter of your intention to sue and the "government entity" may not allow your suit. I know this sounds stupid but I found this out the hard way. Finally, remember this: It is one thing to get a large judgement and it is another thing to be able to collect. If there are no assets or deep pockets to go after many attorneys would just pass. They want to be able to collect on an award. NOT just get a judgement. Good luck on your issues. Hopefully, it will not come down to this. Remember too that what State you are in has a lot to do with your ability to sue and collect.

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Does it have to be a PM md?
I know a FP doc who is very empathic

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BL (# 39) --

I am not surprised at all at the number of people who actually believe that they can consume marijuana AND be prescribed pain medications at the same time. I have resided in a State where recreational marijuana was voted in (this issue is still working its way through the Courts because of the Supremacy Clause in the United States Constitution) and many people that I talked to about this said that meant that no employer could prohibit marijuana consumption now that the law was voted in. One employer had a company wide meeting and told his employees in no uncertain terms that if they showed positive for ANY amounts of THC in their urine/blood they would be dismissed immediately. (Btw, this company has a drug program where you can get treatment as long as you self report BEFORE they do their drug panels. If you are caught after the fact you are gone.) He had each department head meet with their employees and he had a form drawn up stating the company policy on drugs and each employee was REQUIRED to sign it (if you wanted to stay employed there).

Why am I posting so much about marijuana use and the misconceptions about it? Because there are many that think that it is okay to consume marijuana AND get pain medications prescribed. I have only read one post where the poster said that his pain Doctor "tolerated" marijuana use at his PM clinic. If you do not know your particular States law then research it. As far as the prescription of strong narcotic drugs goes I understand that a "step" therapy is used by most Doctors. I am unaware of any PM centers that will just load you up with the heavy narcotics that has not employed a step therapy OR one had better have a deep record of their injuries or conditions to support the Doctor's writing of the prescriptions he/she writes. We are living in a political climate where the prescription of ANY narcotic pain medications is under extreme assault. A Doctor will kick you to the curb for any reason they see fit. They are just tired of all of the grief they are being put through.It is so distressing to not be able to have a professional, unemotional conversation with your Doctor about your pain and the treatment of this condition(s). If there are any signs whatsoever that you may be a liability then you are often gone.

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Pain clinics make their own laws it seems. They know they can so they do. But if you haven’t failed any drug panels it will not take long to get a new doctor.

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