Ibogaine For Depression And Pain Management

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This thread is to discuss Ibogaine as a means to treat Depression and Pain Management, including, but not limited to, anxiety, IBS, joint pain, brain fog, shortness of breath, backpain, FMS, CFS, anhedonia, sleep problems, racing thoughts, loss of libido -- symptoms which are often associated with depression.

I would like to start a discussion on the subject since there is a lack of information regarding Ibogaine as a viable treatment option for Depression. Most information on the web only deals with Addiction treatment.

This is an off-shoot of the thread Ketamine for Depression. You can find more information regarding my past history with depression and avenues of treatment that I've pursued in that thread (for example see post # 392 over there).

Ibogaine. Ibogaine is the root bark of the Tabernanthe Iboga (Iboga) plant that is native to western Central Afrida. Iboga stimulates the central nervous system when taken in small doses and induces visions in larger doses. It has been used sucessfully to treat Opiate Addiction in just one treatment with zero withdrawal symptoms. In other words, Opiate addicts are said to be cured of their addiction in just one flood dose. I've also found reports of successful treatment for Depression. Those who have been treated with Ibogaine report that they experience a sense of renewal/rebirth, as if their brain has been reset to a state prior to their addiction or depression. (* I would liken the "reboot" of the CNS to those resulting from a medically induced Ketamine coma)

The Flood Dose. Ibogaine dosage is based on age and weight of the individual and it usually measures 15mg/kg, enough to put the individual into a lucid dream state, when upon awakening they experience a psychological rebirth.

Legal Status. Ibogaine is classified as a Schedule I drug in the United States, and it is illegal or restricted in various parts of Europe. Those who seek treatment are often limited to obtaining the Ibogaine through the internet grey-market and self-administration, or visiting the Ibogaine clinics which exists in Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica, The Netherlands, or going to Gabon to experience Ibogaine through the traditional rite-of-passage rituals of the Bwiti discipline.

I would like to limit this discussion to Depression and Pain Management, as there are already plenty of resources on the internet that discuss addiction treatment. Please leave faith and spirituality at the door.



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Ann Says:
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I need an antidepressant but am taking metoprolol tartrate for HBP. What can you recommend?

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Paula Says:
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I have read about Ibogaine and have received Ketamine infusions in a clinical trial where I experienced the 'reboot' that you spoke of. However, after the infusions stopped, the 'reboot' went away and I desperately want to regain that feeling! Is there anyone who can speak of their Ibogaine experience?

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888 Says:

Just an update. So far I've performed 2 ibo floods since Jan 2014. The feeling of confidence / positivity lasted for about a month after the first dose, and the depression/heaviness started to creep in afterward. It was bad for about a week after but my mood stabilized in the following weeks leading to my 2nd flood.

I had some complications during my 2nd flood dose and ended up purging most of the dose so the after-effect wasn't as pronounced and only lasted about a week. I'm feeling ok right now. Much more level headed and more present than before taking the ibogaine, but not quite where I think the ibo can take me.

I plan on flooding again in June, but this time performing a flood dose via enema to avoid the purging.

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Paula Says:
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@888- It's so interesting that you refer to your depression as 'heaviness'. I also experience it that way. Where are you getting this treatment? What is the cost? Does it require monthly maintenance? Please go into more detail about your exposure to Ibogaine. Thanks.

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888 Says:

Paula, I'll keep this brief and try to answer all your questions. If you'd like me to go into more detail you can contact me directly. Just ask the admins for my email using their contact form buried somewhere beneath the homepage.

homepage -> terms of use -> contact form

So far I've performed two flood doses since Jan 2014. These are self-treatments. If you re-read the top post you'll find a link to a more detailed post buried beneath the ketamine thread. The cost is reasonable, about $200 USD for 3mg of Ibogaine TA which is enough for one flood dose. Root bark is even cheaper at $70 for 20 grams which is enough for a flood, but I haven't tried ibogaine in this form.

The long term effects can range from 1 to 7 months. I can't say that this is a permanent cure since it's only been a few months since my first dose. But so far, a month since my 2nd dose, I feel much more level headed, grounded. Before everyday life had a surreal feeling to it, as if I was living a waking dream. My cognitive abilities were shot -- my short term memory was terrible and I had a hard time remembering things that were just told to me. Thinking and concentrating is still difficult for me but it's much better than my pre-ibogaine state.

In fact, everything is much better than my pre-ibogaine state. Here is a list of things that have improved since ibogaine.

sleep - I was having trouble getting to sleep and was waking up still feeling tired despite having slept a full 8hrs. I was taking .75mg melatonin in order to get to sleep. Now I only take the melatonin if I'm up past midnight and that's infrequent now. I fall asleep easier now and wake up not quite refreshed, but not wanting to go back to sleep.

concentration/cognitive ability - I'm able to focus on what I need to do in order to get things done, whether it's for work or for myself. My mind use to keep thinking in circles, obsessing over little details that didn't matter.

hair/skin - my hair use to be matted and oily and unmanageable. my face was always oily, and i looked tired all the time, making me look much older than my age.

digestion - im digesting much better now. multiple bowel movements a day. i feel that I'm getting more out of what I eat. I no longer have the insatiable craving for carbs.

mood - less irritable now though still have quite a ways to go. I can't say that I'm happy, but I can say that I'm not depressed.

energy - I use to always crash in the afternoon and had a hard time staying awake. Now I have to energy to go through the entire day without feeling drowsy.

strength/recovery time - I use to feel sore after working out at the gym several days after a workout, and despite my regular strength training routine, I felt weak and arthritic. I'm feeling much stronger now, and recovery time is usually a day though I feel that I could hit the gym everyday.


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Nancy Says:

Hello- I'm very interested also to find out your results from the ibogaine. I've struggled with depression since a child. Anti-depressants help some but dull my feelings a lot. When I first started using Wellbutrin, I had the feeling of coming out of a dark fog. That wore off after about 2 years, then I added Effexor...which helps but I feel there has to be something better.

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888 Says:

So far I've done three flood doses since Jan 2014. Though the weeks following a dose are awesome, my condition eventually reverts back to a level of depression that's not quite as bad as when I've started the flood. I've no plans of flooding again for a few months to allow my body to recover and normalize.

I've done some reading on treating depression with Ayahuasca and it seems like a more viable option at this time since its cheaper and recovery time is a few hours. I'll include more detail when I have more experience with it.

Until then, best of luck all.

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RSD Lady Says:
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I have RSD and pain is unbearable. Under went ketamine high dose treatment 3 years ago. Hallucinations terrible most of the trip. I have read a lot about Ibog and seems to have a lot in common with keta. I will take it the end of this month. Thrilled to see that someone has asked about Ibog and chronic pain. I will post on it the beginning of August and keep you updated.

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888 Says:

Hi everyone, I just wanted to post a quick update. I started treatment using an Ayahuasca analogue -- this past Sunday I drank a brew of 8mg Mimosa Hostilis with 3mg of Peganum harmala seeds. The visuals and trip were amazing, but no visions or breakthroughs.The experience was quite different than the Ibo flood. It only lasted a few hours. I began at 3pm and was back to my senses by 9pm. It's still too early to tell how this will affect my mood, though going into the treatment my mood was pretty low and irritability was high.

I will check back in a few months.

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maydaymayday Says:

888.....THANK YOU for posting your experience. Very interesting & informative! So happy you have experienced improvement in cognitive function & self care. I am eager to know more as I am rapidly losing the fight.

Please tell us exactly what you mean when you say you are taking a break from Ibogaine to get your system back to normal?

Is it disgusting or painful to take to take Ibogaine? Does it cause severe gastric distress? No experience w/ rec drugs myself so please help if you or other's can. Do you suggest I try to find it & take it on my own OR is it best to go to a clinic in Mexico or? to try it to treat the debilitating Treatment Refractory Major Depression I have suffered for many decades?
I appreciate any reply re/ treatment for depression w/ Ibogaine, mushrooms, mxe, ketamine as no traditional Anti-depressnt meds work for me.
Blessings; maydaymayday

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888 Says:

I can no longer recommend Ibogaine for treatment of depression for several reasons.

First of all the positive effects do not last. You'll feel great the weeks following the flood dose but slowly you'll taper back down to your depressive state. I thought this would be a two-step-forward-one-step-back process but it was not. I flooded three times it was the same experience each time. 3 great weeks follow, full of positively and productivity, but depression slowly creeps back in and before you know it BAM you're back in a state of negatively that's all too familiar.

Secondly, treatment is extremely difficult. After ingestion you begin to purge. It's not a relieving purge, it's a gut wrenching purge. For the next two days the ibogaine leads into a psychological journey that you have no control over. During this time you cannot sleep because of the stimulating effect, and you do not eat because you have zero appetite. You experience ataxia, have little to no control over your limbs. The room spins around you causing nausea. You are stripped down physically and psychologically. The only saving grace is the psychological calm that follows.

Lastly, it's relatively expensive. I've spend roughly $600 for three self-treatment doses that in the end amounted to nothing but a few good weeks of relief. I cannot imagine flying off to a foreign country for treatment. I much rather be at home if I'm going to be stuck in bed for two days. Recovery can take a few more days after you come to.

I would recommend Ibogaine only if you suffer from some sort of addiction. This is where it works best. After treatment, you feel new. All of your senses are reset and this gives you another chance at life. For me, it's wiped out my carb cravings.

There is something else I CAN recommend.

Look into Ayahuasca. It's the real deal. I've taken it three times and the last treatment wiped out the depression. But it was scary. The best word that describes the feeling immediately after coming down is 'exocism'. Something bad was expelled from me, and what was left was the whole me. It's an experience that deserves another post that I will share some time. It's been only two weeks since my ayahauasca dose and I feel great. I know it's too early to determine if I'm "cured". I know I can do better with successive treatments.

I have no other experience with psychedelics other than what I've written about here. But from this I can tell that the answers that we're all seeking lie in the powers of this class of drug. They right the wrong that's in our brains, and as a result everything other health issue is fixed as well -- you realize that all your ailments are just a symptom of depression -- the muscle weakness, the joint pain, the blurry vision, the dry eyes/mouth/skin, the brain fog, the dull headaches, the forgetfulness, the negativity, the weak immune system...

I can go on, but that's for another day. Good luck on your journey.

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maydaymayday Says:

888....Great reply! Thank's for your excellent info. Do you take the same combination of ayahuasca ingredients each time? Is this DIY or do you go to a provider/clinic?

Sorry I can't recall if you have already tried ketamine infusion? Glad to hear you feel there may be an answer to dibilitating treatment resistant depression w/ these ketamine like meds as the suffering is so very great. Am on my own journey w/ ketamine infusions & will post results when I know for sure as I am still depressed, exhausted & in cognitive decline (brainfog). PLEASE keep me posted re/ your progress 888. So happy you have benefitted somewhat thus far. mayday

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888 Says:

mayday,

1. I've taken the same combination of mimosa hostilis and syrian rue seed for all of my ayahuasca sessions. However the amount of each ingredient varied. I started taking 8mg mimosa and 3mg syrian rue, but this combination proved to be too much for me to handle. The last session I split the dose between two days, taking 4mg mimosa and 1.5mg syrian rue on two consecutive nights. The first night was uneventful, but the second night was awesome. I won't go into details but if you do a search on ayahuasca experiences you'll find several accounts.

2. This is DIY, at home treatments. Dosing is based on information found online and by self discovery.

3. I've tried nasal ketamine and all I got was nausea from the room spinning around me. No releif what so ever. This was rx'd by Sajben in San Diego. I was also prescribed Naltrexone that I was suppose to turn into LDN by titrating it down to microdoses. This didn't work either. All LDN gave me was severe insomnia. You'll find that your mileage may vary with Ketamine. It may help in the short term but it's definitely not the answer that everyone is looking for. The positive accounts are few and far between though the media monster has hyped this "wonder drug" because party drugs makes for great headlines.

Regarding ayahuasca, there's a great National Geographic article by Kira Salak. Give this a read. There's plenty of more information online so do your due diligence.

This is the first time in 20 years that I've felt "normal". I'm about 95% back to the state I was in prior to the major depression. Everything is coming back -- enjoyment of life, interest in new things, sociability, productivity. And best of all my intuition has returned. I know it all sounds silly and unbelievable, but ayahuasca is unlike anything that I've experienced before. It's not something that can be easily described in words.

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maydaymayday Says:

Hello;

888...I'm very happy that you are feeling so well! That's not something often heard from a long time sufferer of major depression for sure! Mazel Tov!

How long have you been treating your depression w/ ayahuasca? Do you attribute your amazing 95% recovery to only ayahuasca? Or are you augmenting an existing AD med you were already taking w/ ayahuasca? Either way...fantastic!

I will do as you suggested (research ayahuasca on my own) & not bother you w/ a boatload of additional questions 888; except for this one..."Has ayahuasca had any effect on your motivation/drive re/ initiating & completing daily living (home, self care) tasks?

BTW...turns out it's probable there may actually be substantial differences experienced over time re/ the brain healing capabilities of Ketamine Infusion Treatment vs the ketamine nasal solution that was ineffective for you 888.

From my recent, personal experience I truly believe it's a grave mistake to discourage fellow sufferer's from pursuing KETAMINE INFUSION TREATMENT & wait for bigger, better, FDA approved meds to come to their rescue. Sadly, while waiting many will die and countless other's will needlessly lose their dignity, security, homes, careers, friends and even their family as they become more disabled, hopeless and demented. We need to mitigate our dire circumstances ASAP and take meaningful steps to heal ourselves today.

Sincerely; maydaymayday

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888 Says:

mayday,

I started treatment in the beginning of August 2014. So it's been a little more than a month. I've dosed 5 times so far, and with each successive treatment I've felt even better than the previous treatment. This is all due to Ayahuasca.

It's been several years since I've been on any anti-depressant. The last attempt at prescription treatment was back in May 2012 and the drug was nasal Ketamine and LDN. For the past 20 yrs, I've been struggling, trying to make it to the end of the day. I just wanted to be left alone and did everything in my power to keep a low key so that nothing was asked of me. Even the simplest of tasks was difficult. The only safe place for me was at home in bed.

There were noticeable differences after the first treatment with Aya, but it wasn't until the third treatment that I felt that healing had finally begun. To answer you question, Ayahuasca has returned my life to me. Daily living is no longer an uphill climb. It's as it should be. Life will never be easy but now I have the mental and emotional means to handle any challenges that I may face.

Going into Ketamine treatment, I knew it wasn't a cure and I took that chance that it may not work for me. At the time I was just looking for a release from the darkness and hopefully see a glimpse of my former self even if was temporary. But I wasn't even afforded that. I don't regret having gone to Ketamine treatment. It was merely a step towards where I am now.

I encourage you to find your own answers as I did.

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888 Says:

To everyone, be very careful with Ayahuasca. This past week I had my reality turned upside down and I'm still trying to process what just happened. I won't go into details but ideas from demonic possession and lost souls, to leaving my body were just a few of the things that I went through. The depression is gone and I feel that I'm cured, but as to what was the cause of the depression, I cannot say.

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maydaymayday Says:

888; Please elaborate on your ayahuasca experience that was so different from your previous doses. Do you do this alone? Were you scared?

Re/ ketamine infusion.....have had several now w/ perhaps a very slight responce/effect after last one but really only change is I am just alot more irritable. Dr mailed me an 'Action List' of all the "usuals" like "excersize, meditate, volunteer, get more talk therapy, pursue an Art form, eat a balanced diet, sleep better, yada yada....you know....all the f***ing BS Dr's say when all their useless ssri's; etc; fail & they have to justify their existence. CYA & shift the blame. My Dr won't even give me the dignity of telling me the truth re/ my k infusions. He'd rather leave me hanging in the wind, anxiety ridden & miserable....not knowing for sure if pursuing ketamine further is worthwhile for me. "We'll see after you have more talk therapy" is his reply. Now supposed to hire new talk therapist for the 100th time.

I really Trusted and Admired my Dr before his classic 'kiss off'. Don't they know that's what all of them do after they take your $$$? I went through so much to try this treatment & was so grateful to have the chance to repair my brain in hopes of warding off (or lessening) the eventual dementia us Depression sufferer's are 8 times more likely to endure. I'm finished living in such great pain. Never will trust again or let someone in only to be told to try Talk Therapy...again! SLAM This has sealed my resolve to not leave myself in the hands of MD's or medicine.

Tell me 888...is aya still working for you? Is your Depression truly gone? Do you want to live LIFE now? Do you feel more motivated, have energy & drive? How long does improvement last? Is there downtime after dosing? Wonder if I even have it in me to research/try aya now as my k infusion failure (?) has left me defeated & feeling like death. I'm so tired of this. BTW... In hindsight do you feel LDN has any merit? Is LDN worth trying? Sounds like aya may be the answer for you which is so great! You have my envy! Please give details re/ effects on your home/work life. The simplist detail may be life saving for me. Thank You in advance for helping me w/ this. I am so demoralized.

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888 Says:

mayday, I truly understand your frustration with modern medicine's approach to "depression". Modern medicine is rooted in science which tries to measure things in terms of empirical data that can be measured, weighed, calculated. But some things in this universe are beyond comprehension by scientific law.

I won't go into details publicly about my experience. So, to answer your questions indirectly...

Do you remember a time when you felt yourself? Whole. Complete. At peace with yourself. A time when events that happened in your life were in harmony. A time when you knew the answers and trusted your instincts. You were in control of your destiny. I have returned to this place. Aya has brought me back.

LDN is not the answer you're looking for.

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888 Says:

Mayday, I have not received any messages from you. Just want to make sure everything is ok.


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maydaymayday Says:

888;

After 4 ketamine infusions I am mourning & accepting the fact that I am not a responder. Sad that my MD wouldn't tell me that fact as it would have validated my experience. In the meantime 888 please google Ignorance Kills, (Reardon Metals blog/site) for interesting info re/ endogenous TRD.

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