Advice Starting Suboxone, ?s
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I am about to start Suboxone for the second time. The first time I didn't follow the rules and began taking it before I was in withdrawals. It was awful. I want to do it right this time. They say wait until you are at least in mild withdrawals. That is different for everyone. I am terrified of taking it too early. I am snorting heroin daily. I have weened myself off to just three lines per day. The dope I get isn't good either. My question is do I need to wait until I am a complete mess? Can I start taking it when I just start feeling anxious and restless? Should I be puking. Anyone with advice or personal experience please respond. I have to get it right this time. I have complete faith in this drug. Thanks!

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I've white knuckled it before and I didn't get a good night's sleep for at LEAST two weeks & wasn't feeling remotely good until a month in. I'm not saying it's impossible or that one shouldn't quit-I'm simply saying that help in the form of pharmaceuticals (suboxone! Yay!), counseling, or whatever is a MUCH better route than simply gritting your teeth & hoping. Also, I've started subs/bups a bunch of times & you don't need to give it '24 hours to start- just wait 'til you're sneezing, eyes watering, sweaty, etc.

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I totally agree about the difference between desire and addiction.
I am an addict in terms of the way i go about my life. I get addicted to routines of control and release with food, TV, study, social life and everything else. So its no surprise that I became dependent on over the counter pain medicine. The thing is, I stayed on the same dose, two tablets every four hours, for 2 years. God knows I wasn't getting high but the addiction beast was fed and quiet for some hours. It eventually spiralled out of control. I take 2 mg suboxone now and I am planning to come off in the next month under the advice of my doctor.

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The last time I try come'n off heriot with subby I wait the 12 hours took 8ml n it never did anything was just as bad as a was now a really want this to work si how long n how much do I need to take I was thinking of starting on 6 ml n want to wait at least 12 to 18 hours can u help plz

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Your situation & use is exactly my situation as well!!! I am looking to get back on sub tx and am petrified of p.w. Everyone being different & having different results makes finding advice hard!! Is there any surefire way of not experiencing p.w.???

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can you be on seboxin and still do heroin and pass your pee tests? my son is on it but he still acts shady and is glassy eyed at times and out of it

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You people have no idea about how subutex/suboxone works. 1 you don't need to wait anymore than 24 hours to start subs if using heroin. 2 subs are both agonist and antagonist so once you reach a certain dose they effectively block out any other opiate/opiod that you try to use. 3 taking other opiates/opiods while on subs will NOT make you sick, you just won't feel their effects due to the subs blocking properties. 4 subs are not the magic bullet for addicts as you also become dependent on them and after being on subs for a while you will find that coming off them is VERY difficult and extremely long winded, the best you can hope for is to taper down to the smallest amount you can (I'm taking crumbs here; break your pills into small pieces when you want to get off them) but even doing this will cause you to experience classic opiate/opiod withdrawal. Don't believe what the so called medical professionals tell you as they talk out of their arses. 5 subs have an extremely long half life so if you try to use another narcotic drug it will have no effect until the subs start to leave your brain (this can be anywhere from 48 - 96 hours after last sub, but may even take longer depending on your metabolism and the size of your sub habit) in my opinion people should only use subs as a quick detox tool, ie only take them for 1 or 2 weeks maximum and then get off them before you become too dependent, believe me sub withdrawal is no fun and if you stay on them for long you will find out the hardway.

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10 bags in a day is nothing. Try 20 bags in one dose. For years at a time. Then you know you need suboxone or methadone. And if you think suboxone isn't addictive your so wrong, it's just as addictive as the rest and withdrawls last longer then heroin but are slightly less brutal.

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Your are so wrong on so many levels evrything u said ive done and nothing of what u mentioned happend do not listen to this guy at all....all you need is one 8 mg sub and take a quater of it a day for 4 days and thats it u might feel slight discomfort afterwords but it will be nothing like full blown withdrawels

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You will be fine after 12 hours for sure, if u are having w/d symptoms, that's good enough!!! I waited 12 hrs and was fine, it worked instantly and I was at pretty much the same level of use as you!! Just make sure your nice and uncomfortable when u get there!! I felt like I had the flu and was anxious, and irritable.. That worked for me.. Good luck...

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So here's the deal, I started Suboxone yesterday and was obsessed with trying to figure out exactly how long I had to be in withdrawl before starting.. The last thing in the world I wanted was to go into precipitated w/d.. Here's what I did... Woke up 4am yesterday am, took 5 percocet (5mg) just cause the am is horrible and I know I had to go to work.. I stayed up.. My body is used to taking upto 120 mgs total per day.. I started feeling s***ty about 10 am.. Drank tons of water to flush the opiate. Felt worse and worse all day, I knew that I was def in w/d and my apt was at 4pm.. I started with 4mg of suboxone and it stabilized me instantly... I knew at this point there was no precipitated w/d coming my way... (Thank god) and was examined an hr later by my dr. And given another 2 mg... I instantly felt "NORMAL" no more sick.... Everyone is diff.. If you know it in w/d and your sick, you should be fine, just 12 hours was fine for me... My DOC is and has only ever been percocet..

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I switch backand forth from using dope and tajing subs quitw often. as long as I'm dope sick the subs work. i only have to wait like.6 hours but that's bcause i do six or seven bags at once and thsy only last a few hours before withdrawls kick in. just wait till ur nose.starts running ur eyes r tearing and u can't stop yawning n ur gwgting. old sweats and u should be fine

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Hate to break it to u but I miss you:-( can IF COURSE take coke while on suboxone, u can take opiate too, just won't feel them. Anyway, from what ur describing, the attitude change and weird sleep pattern I would say (as a 29 yr old who has been an addict for 15 years, clean now for 4 yrs) ur wife is surely using something and if an addict had drugs on them THEY ARE THEIR DRUGS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!! An addict can't have drugs and not do them, they just can't. So, I'm sorry to say, but ur wife is using! If u need to talk or need advice feel free to email me {edited for privacy} sorry again!

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If you really wanna do it right this time start at the least possible dose you can. The higher the dose the harder it is to come off. I have been on it for six years taking anywhere from 8 mg up to 16 mg a day I myself did not do it right either. Stupid. Now I made the decision two weeks ago to quit cold turkey. I am on day 14 and by day 30 I should be able to get back to work. So my only recommendation START as low as dose as possible that way coming off wont be as horrible. My withdrawals I feel like I wanna die.... So the KEY is low low dose. Take 2 mg and wait and hour see how you feel then do that again wait another hour see how you feel keep doing that until you stable and you will see you wont need to eat an entire 8 mg pill. Knowing what I know now I would have def. done things differently.

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I will tell you a secret about how to transition from dope to suboxone in only 12hours. Your last day of dope cut down a bit and do your last dose around 10pm. You then use 2mg of suboxone at about 10am but here is the secret before you do this get some adderall and xanax. When you take adderall before taking the sub it takes away any withdrawl symptoms you may have like kicking and twitching or any of them you actually get a sense of euphoria also take a little xanax dont over do it and fall asleep just a little to help with anxiety. Boom you will be able to stop using and only be on sub. you might need more suboxone after the first 2mg but just take more a couple hours later if needed.

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Hi I really enjoyed reading your post.. I am currently trying to get on suboxone. I have been taking 4-5 roxy 30s a day. i am very small 115 pds. how soon should i wait before i start suboxone after i last did a roxy? im very scared i'll be thrown into precipracated withdrwls. and how much suboxone of a strip should i take? Thank you so muc for your help

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man. you read my mind, or should i say body. this girl knows! as i do :I(

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cocoapuffs is 100 percent right. I been through it and all he is exactly right!!!!!!!!!! I've taken a sub way too eary lots of times. I woke up sweating and said screw it and I knew that was not smart. I only waited about 10 hours and its the worst withdraw you will EVER feel. It will last about 2 hours and you will finally fall asleep, wake up and feel better but you will be through hell for those 2 hours. i was able to go to work because i set my alarm early. (took 2 8 mgs at 6am and had to wake up at 8am for work)I fell asleep withought even knowing it and woke up feeling fine. istill feel okay with a few xanax to help, anyways, ive been having leg cramps still from subs. anyone know a way to calm them down? anyone can ask me anything i pretty much know everything because ive been through it all !!!!!!. i can take a sub though, and 12 hrs later do H and are able to feel it although it makes you feel better you will not get the high you are hoping for. for instance the leg cramps and urge will be gone but you will not peak. im just looking for help on my leg crapms @cocoapuffs you seem to know the truth, any help?

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coccapuffs is 100 percent right. been thru it all he is exactly right!!!!!!!!!! ive taken subs way too eary and its the worst withdraw you will EVER feel. about 2 hours and you will feel better but you will be thr heel for those 2 hours. i usually finally faLL ASLEEP AND FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. sorry for all caps, anyways, ive been having leg cramps still from subs. anyhone know a way to calm them down?

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I started taking subs about 6 years aro, my dad gave them to me one day instead of Percocet, that I would take time an again. I'm 33 now and my dad has been a heroin addict my whole life, when he gavE me the subs, I chewed it and it tast like candy, I thought it was fake so I took like three, wow was I f***ed up, I could not believe how high I was, I never been high like that ever. Fair to say I was addicted. I would work my ass off on them, bang girls, and drink like a fish, that's were they kill u they make u drink and drink like a nut. The subs f***ed up my life. Now I started doing heroin. And Im scared to take subs. But I have to go back, cause. The dope just makes me sleep. It sucks. And don't even get u high. Suboxin is way strong and it will make you feel like the world is yours, but people still suck, and a person that does drugs is hiding something. Or can't tolerat there suroundings, best thing for a addict is to find what there looking for. And stay away from negative s***.

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Yes I use coke once in a while and I was on suboxin, your wife is lieing to u man and she is probable cheating too, because if she's on coke chances are she's getting it off a guy and probably doing it with him as well. Seems like your wife has a lot more to hide then u think.

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