Rhodes/purdue Buprenorphine Hcl 8mg Rp B8 Vs Roxanne 54 411 (Page 28)

I have made the switch from the 8mg films to 8mg buprenorphine tablets only. With all the research I've done and experience I do my best to stay away from actavis mylan and nowadays sandoz. I noticed everyone has enjoyed the Roxanne now westward generics amongst hi-tech coming in second/mylan. I have no experience with mylan bup and don't want to take the risk even as mylan has always been a waste imo. I'm not a fan of allergan (actavis) taking over watson so depending on the drug dispenses I most stay away. There are as of now 7 manufacturers of generic buprenorphine hcl 8mg (generic subutex). They are in order of my preferred with not much experience except with brand name:

*roxanne (now westward pharma)- 54 411
*hi tech- 8 ^(arrow)
*mylan- M924
*teva (allergen/activas owned) crooked b 799
*actavis- moon 153
*sun pharma- 460 white round
[And the brand new released generic made by Purdue and distributed by Rhodes Pharmaceuticals the new Rhodes generic]
*RP b8- white round bevelled and pretending edges.

I currently have had a smooth switch to the Roxanne/westward and declined mylan, actavis, teva, hi tech, sun pharma as most research and reviews conclude the Roxanne/westward generics the 54 411 seem to be best reviewed. I was unable to find the Purdue/Rhodes pharma newly released generic RB b8 imprinted generic. All I know is Rhodes and Purdue are professionals in the process of making quality meds and not just quality meds but pain relief medication, as they even were the company to CREATE oxycontin. I was able to come across one image of them on the web and they look very similar to the Roxanne 54 411s in size color and mostly shape except for the rhodes/Purdue ones protrude or kind of pop out on each side beyond the bevelled edges. They look really well made and on one side they have RP and otherside b 8 which the b and 8 are fairly far apart. I have been doing great from switching from brand films to the Roxanne westward 54 411s so far. I'm hoping to get some feedback by next month on these newly released rhodes/Purdue generic buprenorphine hcl 8mg. They are the newest and just released October 2017 and look very shinny and quality made. I'm hoping someone here who has tried both the Roxanne/westward and the new Purdue ones imprinted RP b 8 tablets. I am going to try and have my pharmacy special order the new Rhodes generics made by Purdue again imprinted RP b 8 white round shinny tablets fairly similar to the Roxanne but look better quality imo but do not have much experience with generic just brand and am very well versed on pharma companies and their medicine and their quality each one has.

Has anyone tried these new rhodes/Purdue ones imprinted RP b 8? How would you compare them to the Roxanne 54 411 tablets... I hope for a response or it will be trail and error for me when ordering Rhodes next month if i stay on this route and will see how they compare to the Roxanne/westward but will not be til a month away. Please if you have any experience with these generics and especially the new rhodes/Purdue one let me know. Again I was able to locate only one image of them and they look great. They do not look small like hi tech more like a combined Roxanne and mylan with the shininess and how they pop out on each side..they look a little larger like the mylan and Roxanne not small like hi tech or teva or activas they are round tablet imprints RP b8 with b and 8 fairly far apart. Any feedback would be great and I would want to switch to rhodes/Purdue from roxanne (now westward being a factor) generics as they make quality are new just released and approved this year 2017 of October and no one how even mentioned them yet that I can find. With westward buying out Roxanne and them making changes a new generic made by Purdue may be just the one we have been waiting for and needing..again on the 54 411 ones now and looking for feedback on the new Purdue Rhodes ones and if the switch from Roxanne westward to rhodes/Purdue would be better maybe with better quality as they have always been a great and reputable company who makes outstanding drugs. Any feedback would be great.

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Re: amangan0510 (# 531)

You are right, when they were first approved the rb b8, i told my pharmacist that these will be the next year's most desired generic, and he thanked me and spread the word. And now everywhere has them. 2 times better than any other they are identical to brand and teva in every way but shape and imprint.

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i am very happy to be of help to you all my family! i knew when they were first approved that they would be the future and im so glad i made this forum for everyone to connect. rhodes are the best they r identical to brand. i love you all!

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Re: Little Bambino (# 43)

I know this post is old but I hope I still get a response. I have been in suburbs for about 6 yrs now. 54/411 are the only ones I found that I am normal on. I don't abuse them. I have in the past, but not for awhile now. Today I was dispensed the RP B8. I can't remember if I've had them or not cause I've been tossed back and fourth from pharmacy to pharmacy and have had damn near every single generic out there. The 460’s are bad. They sucked the life out of me. Turned me in to a zombie inside and out. Those should be pulled from the market. Pharmacies have no control on what comes in, it’s what ever is the cheapest they get. You can request a specific one, but like me, I requested the 54's and the pharmacist at Walmart told me to go somewhere else from now on. Threw me out for requesting what know works for me. It's a sick twisted world and I'm so sick of being clean and still treated as a f***ing junkie that I am not. Never done any needles!

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Re: goozer (# 495)

Yes I must agree. After being on bupe since 2005 I've always been on Rox/westward. Now I'm told due to the rising cost of this brand, which I could only get from Walmart I was forced to try Rhodes B_8. I can't complain at all. In fact I think these are better! They are reputable in the opioid family for sure. Also, it plainly states 8.64mg. I'll go for that. I will f/u with more insight as this is my first time.Any more reviews welcome. God bless

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Roxanne 56 (# 543) --

thank you for your wonderful feedback. They are identical to brand name subutex and identical to the old tevas

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Re: goozer (# 521)

You know whays funny goozer i told youvabout the Rhoads before youveven knew they was on the market so fly hig my friend like I said in my first post if you knew anything about pharmaceuticals like my uncle does that owns a pharmacy a generic is grated a b and c a being the best be being second-best and C damn 3rd best and cheapest I told you when they first come out nobody knew about them over two years ago they were out and my uncle is the one they got them for me he is a pharmacist and a very big mom and pop Pharmacy chain as it sits right now he only carries the Purdue r8 Rhodes Pharmaceuticals an he gets the maximum amount of the dea will aloow him to dispince which is 12,000 tablets a month an i get them for 1.35 cent a pill his price but isee u took the info i putvon here a year an 3 month's ago an looking like a hero that's funny...

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Re: Best sub generic Hunter (# 546)

I'd have to agree with you!!, goozer. Has been my hero, and truly he became a good Friend. I have learned so much from him, I think he is a very knowledgeable guy to know.... my list is long with the questions I have had to ask him. Truly he is the only one I go to for any kind of help...if I didn't bump into his post I'd still be lost. His knowledge to help us all get info on the new Rhodes generic, how to go about asking pharmacists questions and orders, not to just accept anything they have, go for the best..I mean you can tell he is very smart just by reading this blog, and I have read his other blogs. Anyway I'm just adding my thumbs up to him for all his help and friendship, always happy to help..thx goozer..

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Re: goozer (# 545)

You are our most beloved source of the truth and I sincerely thank you. One more question. I'm prescribed 24mg a day. On the rp I got really sleepy. I had a 54/11 left and took that. Bam, I felt alive. What is your take on that? Too many variables to answer, I know, forgive me. Do rp make you sleepy or maybe I should lower my dose? Once again I speak for many. You're officially our med guru.

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Re: Roxanne 56 (# 548)

I'm always happy to help what is going on with the sleepiness and Rhodes is they are more potent so maybe try taking a less amount when it comes to the 54 411 they are not as strong and keep u at a non potent level with a full tab where rhodes is more potent aka sleepy. take less amount of rhodes and you will not be sleepy. also the 54 411 have been changed so much the inactive ingredients can also give the feeling of awakeness but lack effciency and potency so your really jist feeling less in a full tab that isnt as potent and doesnt make you sleepy...it is because they arw weaker with bad inactive ingredients that dont do much where rhodes is strong and a full tab will make u sleepy. just take less of the rhodes and u will still feel same potency and wont be sleepy

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Re: Charlene (# 547)

hell ya charlene i love you and loce you all and here to help in any and every way possible. it touches my heart charlene and truly wish i knew how to get to know you and all of you my fam.

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Re: Best sub generic Hunter (# 546)

sorry bruv i dont know what your talking about mate. no one i knew prior knew about the rhodes. i knew abkut them right when the dea approved them mate. i appreciate your feed back but i found all this knowledge on my own. i dkdnt gain any knowledge from anyone else including yourself but im grateful to you. i started this forum with a jen years ago way before u even posted here brotha. but thank you and i wish we could chat for real we seem like minded individuals but please dont try to take credit for my knowledge mate i go as far back as 3 years with rhodes even before they hit the market or anyone's minds but i would be happy to get to know u and get d i gits

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Re: goozer (# 550)

I had just got done reading my email. It says, the Sackler family, the empire-behind Purdue pharmaceuticals, has ties to a patient on a new formulation of buprenorphine, a medicated wafer. They are willing to donate for free to anyone. Suing the company remains unclear...those behind oxycontin are developing a new substance to treat opioid addiction. They add 'will this make a difference?'....Ok my question to this is this old news, I mean it's dated 09/27/2018... I haven't heard anyone talking about this. This email had so much information in it. So I picked this article out. Thx everyone.

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Re: Roxanne 56 (# 548)

keep in mind the rhodes are two times more potent than any other generic made. they are identical to brand name. it is very quite possible the potency of the bup in the rhodes generic ie brand name subutex is more potent than any other generic u r used to. i believe everyone stating they dont like rhodes because it makes them zombie or sleepy like is because they are not used to such a good bup tablet and the potency that comes with having a brand name tablet. it is making you sleepy because it is the MOST potent BUP product out there. try taking half instead of a full one and u will not get sleepy and will still get the same relief. some even say when taking less it helps with pain better and sometimes works better than taking a full tablet. everyone stating they are to sleepy on the rhodes is because they are too POTENT. and they need to take less tghan what they are used to to adjust to the new potency of a good brand name generic. i would say take less and it will still be potent and get rid of thezombie/tired like feeling for certain with the same required relief. trust me.

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Re: Roxanne 56 (# 548)

it is the potency Roxanne56. they r much more potent than the market has seen in years. take half of what you would with rhodes than u wud take with any other generic and BAM the sleepy feeling will go. its like going from swag to chronic. u have to adjust the potency system. the sleepiness comes from taking to much on any bup tablet regardless the generic but rhodes are much much more potent so yes a high dose will make u sleepy where as the 54 411s are not nearly as potent so a full 54 411 will not make u sleepy compared to a full tablet of rhodes because the potency of bup in the rhodes is so effective. hope this helps

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Re: Roxanne 56 (# 548)

its like taking a aurobindo xanax 2mg compared to a greenstone generic 2mg of xanax. which one is more effective? the greenstone is stronger and will work better with more potency because it is like brand name in everyway to brand name xanax ya know. u cant just go from smoking swag to chronic and thing the same size bowl with work as well as the same size bowl of chronic it just will be to much ya know what i mean the same concept applies to 54 411 and rhodes or any bup generic. 7/8 generics are like swag and the rhodes and teva are like brnd name ie chronic buds. theres no comparison on the potency but u know chronic is way better than swag u need to adjust accordingly. so just take less of rhodes if the potency is making u sleepy

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Everyone must know what is going on is that big pharma and gov have made us dumbed down and weak thinking we will just settle with the least amount possible of something for the biggest profit scheme game for them. Subutex is no longer available in the states. Purdue pharma has taken the spot in the states to be our one and only brand name subutex which is dispensed by rhodes. If you are getting that sleepy groggy zombie feeling it is because you have been subconsciously taught that weak drugs and non-quality drugs are comparable to what medicine used to be 10 to 20 years ago when there was no such thing as generics only brand name quality medicine. This is the case with rhodes sub made by purdue. All it is is you have been used to taking one tablet as instructed with these horrible generics then we get a generic like rhodes that is easily 2x as potent and longer lasting. I have confirmed this with many pharmacist and doctors. Rhodes is hands down the best and if you do not have an allergy to any of the brand name inactive ingredients and thinking rhodes is horrible or crappy then this will just be all in your head and also the comfortability you have been stuck in with your medicine regimen and justifiably as being on them for months or years. The issue at hand lies within this way and concept. Rhodes is superior and certainly quality made and most definitely and easily 2 to 4 times more potent than any other of the 7 generics. U think purdue pharma would not make the very best they could in a time that they are getting so much heat for the crisis and legal suits...No, hell no, they wouldn't settle for anything other than the best and we all know purdue has worked their way around the system to sell their best quality drugs. And this generic problem is not only with bup. It has become a huge problem with many drugs causing a lot more money coming their way and more out of our pocket with some drugs having anywhere from 5 generics to 20 plus different manufactures for just one drug and dose. It is evil and makes me sick to my stomach.

This especially accounts for benzodiazepines, opiates, mat (medically assisted treatment drugs) drugs. This is what has caused the era of pressing pills on the blackmarket. There are too many companies profiting just off of one drug and one dose. I mean if you were to take a xanax brand name or even greenstone which is to xanax as rhodes is to bup being the exact same as brand name. Its like taking a brand name or greenstone xanax bar compared to taking a yellow bus bar, the dava green hulks, the new boeings made in india by breckenridge, mylan circles, aurobindo, apotex, list goes on and on, but anyway, taking a brand name xanax or greenstone compared to one of these generics u will see a huge difference in quality and potency and same goes for opiates. Taking a brand name xanax compared to others like a yellow bus is like taking two to three yellow buses. I mean it is as simple as follow the money thus this is why brand name drugs are so darn expensive and they arent that pricey for no reason lol. They are for the quality and potency. A brand xanax is like taking two to three generic xanax especially like the mylan generic circles. The same applies for opiates and bup. For opiates its like taking an oc 80 compared to an op 80. Huge difference. Or like taking a mallinkrodt perc 10 compared to a brand name endocet percocet. With brand u will always get more more more of potency and quality and lasting longer drugs with less garbage in them. The same goes for bup. We had brand name subutex and it was banned in the states but not all over the world as it is still available in other countries, and in america purdue has taken the brand name formulation and replicated it for us which is an amazing thing. There are not many generic drugs no matter what class that we are lucky enough to get for generic price with brand name quality and with rhodes we got lucky here.

If you are feeling too sleepy on them or zombie-like it is because you are simply taking too much (a whole tablet) because justifiably that is what you are used to taking but u do not need to do this as rhodes is brand name. So if you do not have an allergy to any of the inactive ingredients to rhodes buprenorphine hcl 8mg tablets it is because we have lived this way so long dumbed by big phama to excepting the worst and thinking they can provide different generics each month. It sickens me and here we are with many people thinking rhodes are junk when really they are the best and same as brand name. As they made us think we need a full tablet. Back in the day when brand name was still around a whole tablet would put anyone on their butt which is exactly what is going on with rhodes. The potency is very very strong and it lasts. To the point where if you take more than 2mg or 4mg of a 8mg tablet it is just simply way too much for you and is going to make u feel like a zombie or way tired and grogginess just as a brand name xanax or endocet would if we could afford it. So let's be happy we are lucky enough to have had the evil sackler family pretty much take over the bup industry and take on the spot of brand name bup for us. Of course a whole brand name xanax bar would floor u while a green one or yellow or mylan circle xanax would require an additional pill or two and when taking more for the potency it certainly will floor u to zombie-like tired feeling. This is whats going on with rhodes bup. U are taking more than u need to and people still feel the need to take the whole tablet as this is what your subconcious has been told to do and how it has gotten used to things. All u need to do is simply take half of what you would normally take with rhodes because its potency seems to be causing these issues. Follow the money, its that simple guys. Money equals quality and this is why brand name is so pricey.

If you are having bad side effects or experience when trying the rhodes all you need to do is take half of which u normally would take and u will get the perfect feeling of the rxed buprenorphine w.O these effects. Take rhodes guys. It is brand name and if u dont want to feel the zombie and sleepy feeling im hearing so much about just take much less as it is the potency of the rhodes bup causing these side effects of zombie like tired feeling as any drug that is potent and a downer would do. This era and people just settling for crappy generics has caused the new era of pressed pills and ruined it for many. You are taking to much of a potent generic like brand name (rhodes) that only really requires you to take much much less. A half of a tablet of rhodes will still be stronger than a full tab of mylan of the india made himkas. Now the old roxanne were spectacular. Simply search for roxanne images of this bup and look at it compared to the old westward and now himka and u will see the roxannes were quality made tablets. They were shinny, strudy & didnt fall apart or fade away so quickly and the imprints were solid and didnt have imprints that fade after time. I have roxannes 54 411 left, I have westward 54 411 left, and have himkas 54 411 still around. I have compared and evaluated them many many times to see if there is a difference and there is, it's huge. Rhodes is 3 times stronger than westward and himka and roxanne is identical to rhodes in potency. Maybe rhodes is slightly stronger than the roxanne 54 411 but roxanne is gone. Im not sure why westward and himka took roxannes imprints but not formulation as all three forms of 54 411s are different in formulation and honestly in every way, including active and inactive ingredients. But I can tell u rhodes is strong as brand name and a full tab which certainly floor you like that unlike taking a full tablet just like a brand name endocet or brand name xanax compared to their fellow generics. I can tell you for certain I have had this convo with many many drs and pharmacists who have confirmed this exact situation and that rhodes are the new brand name subutex offered to us in the states.

Rhodes is the states current brand name generic as subutex brand is gone and purdue took the brand name formulation to make and sell for us lucky and more money for them but at least we get the option of a brand name generic here when the subutex brand is not allowed and we all know purdue knows how to do things like this and getting very potent drugs out there. The sleepy and zombie feeling are tolerance and potency issues. Just take less by half than what u would with any other generic other than teva or rhodes. Teva is most likely gone now. I have taken and compared the 54 411s to rhodes many times and reach the same conclusion which is rhodes is much much stronger and lasts longer. So if u r taking a full tab and been used to a generic which are not near as strong as rhodes generic brand name then hell ya u certainly will get floored like a zombie. Buprenorphine is 40 times stronger than morphine. So its in your head and honestly do yourself a favor and get rhodes while u still can and simply take less as not to get floored like that but take less to get the full and positive beneficial effects required and desired by your rx. Also with opiates and mat drugs (medically assited treatment drugs) such as buprenex, suboxone, naltrexone, subutex, and methadone keep in mind precipitated withdrawal is very very likely. Rule of thumb is you cannot take any full agonist opiates before taking your buprenorpine product. You can do it the other way around without getting precip w.D and take full agonist opiates after taking buprenorphine but not the other way or u will end up in the worst withdrawals than anything and one u would have to rid out that cannot be treated with mat drugs and is super worse than normal withdrawals. So u can take opiates after taking bup but u cannot take any bup products or methadone and naltrexone after. I know for buprenorphine that you cannot take any bup products after a dose of an opiate (full agonist) I.E oxycodone, hydrocodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone, morphine, fent, etc and buprenorphine products cannot be taking for at least 12-24 hours after your last full opiate agonist dose. So please save yourself the trouble and if u take opiates that are not mat drugs please follow the guidelines so u do not end up in precipitated withdrawal because nothing will stop that unfortunately.

I know for bup it has to be 12-24 hours at the very least but is very effective for withdrawal once this time has passed. Please keep in mind all mat drugs have different time frames for when u can take a bup product or mat drug after dosing on a full agonist opiate or u will get sicker than u can imagine. Now it doesnt work the other way around strangely where u can take a full opiate agonist after taking your mat drug or bup without getting precip withdrawal and I highly recommend u familiarize yourself with precip withdrawal and their time frames etc. I personally take my bup products strictly for pain and pain relief for my as and spinal issues and have for years never for addiction but I have been there. Buprenorphine is 40x stronger than morphine and dont let your mind trick u or people fool u rhodes is the strongest and best generic on the market now for bup. I have confirmed this with many many doctors and pharmacist that are friends and family it is in your head and you are dosing way to high if u r getting zombie-like and tired feelings that is just simply the power of a high dosage of bup and everyones tolerance is very very different. This is why we see half the people love rhodes and the other half saying they dont like them due to sleepiness and zombie like feelings just like any downer that is taken at a high dose. It isnt the rhodes generic, it is the potency of the rhodes generic being taken with more than the body should have if getting tired. I guarantee u take half of a rhodes u will see how better it is than any other generics and u will not be sleepy or zombie like if u take half of what u r used to and not only that u will have extras. U will not be needing to refill the day before or right on refill date because u will have more from taking a lower dosage that really equates out to a full 54 411 tablet.

Trust me guys this is the reason for the sleepiness and zombie feeling just like any downers and especially since bup is 40 times stronger than morphine and when u are getting a generic that actually works as it should just like real medicine our generation barely knows and some dont about true real medicine before generics came around. Also remember guys walgreen cvs walmart and all mainstream pharmacies are in the game for profit. These pharmacies do not care about their consumers and patients. This is why they do not and are not happy to order your preferred generics. They do not want to go out the way but they can. I have had it done with them each before but it takes a golden egg for them to do it so stay away from these pharmacies always. Never go there. Support your local mom and pops pharmacies that are struggling to stay around and up and running. These pharmacies are happy to take on anyone's prescriptions and more than happy to go out their way for your satisfaction. They need u just as much as we need them. U can also try pharmacies that are located in a hospital as they always have good generics and will order whatever u want as well. If worst comes to worst u can always call the pharmacies of walgreens, cvs, and kroger in the riches and wealthiest areas in your city and they are willing sometimes and if not carry the "Follow the money" generics good generics as most their consumers are high payer patients as they live in the wealthy areas. Also another thing to touch on from posts I have read is about cravings. Subutex will not deter any cravings whatsoever no matter the generic. This is in your head if you think any generic subutex gets rid of cravings, as none certainly do not. It is the combination of buprenorphine and naloxone (suboxone / subxone films) etc that deter cravings, not any generic or brand name buprenorphine hcl tablets. They are strictly for pain and withdrawals not for cravings.

Buprenorphine has been around for decades for pain. The combination of naloxone and bup stops the cravings and this is fairly new (the combo) so I wanted to clear that out as I saw a few people state rhodes doesnt help with cravings but 54 411s and other generics do, this is simply not true and in your head as there is no naloxone in them for a craving deterrent to it. U may want to think of switching to suboxone, sublocade, zubsolv, burenex, etc. I hope this helps but rhodes is the best generic on the market for buorenorphine hcl tablets which only have 8 makers at this time with possibly a new generic on the way for buprenorphine hcl but rhodes is brand name subutex in every way including potency above all and this is what is causing the sleepiness and zombie like feeling. U just need to adjust your dose down to how your dependency is and what works for u but with something as strong as rhodes u will want to start off small maybe 2mg and work ur way up from there to see what dosage works best for u and is not too much to floor u like that. Rhodes is brand name subutex. That is all I have to say. It has the same active and inactive ingredients, just lower the dose. I know u are used to a whole tablet but with rhodes this is just not the case. Again, this has been confirmed by many doctors and pharmacists. Here below is the list of all makers and possible future ones in order of best quality and best generic.

1. Subutex (brand name) imprint white oblong pill "B8"
2. Rhodes dispensed purdue pharma made and manufactured imprints white circle: "RP B 8"
3. Teva which unfortunately is no longer around and if so hard to find near impossible because teva has purchased out activas a long time ago and is using and dispensing the orange actavis formulation under the dispensed name of teva, so finding these is near impossible at this time but they are also like rhodes and identical in active and inactive ingredients and also the same as brand name in every way like rhodes but hard to find. If u find any let me know! These are just as good as rhodes and brand name subutex and they even have the oblong shape of brand name subutex but imprinted "B 799".
4. Hi tech (ackron)- hi tech is a quality usa company for medication. I think a lot of drug abusers like these the best due to size and fillers but I notice people who take as instructed do not seem to like them much. I've always liked hi tech meds which can be hard to find but they sit at fourth best on this list.
5. Mylan white circle "M 924"- I have never been a fan of mylan drugs of any kind. I believe that mylan drugs, for the most part, are complete garbage, but I hear good feedback on these and they are decent imo but not as good as the mentioned above generics. A lot of people are saying they cannot find these or they are on backorder which I find strange as these are readily available in my area and would assume most states. Not as good as hi tech but better than the 54 411s.
6. Actavis- (teva owned and dispensed so if u get this generic u may see actavis on the bottle for the mfg or may see teva) these are orange oval pills that are a light orange with a logo "Half moon 153". I hear these taste horrible but help with pain, but these are bup 40x stronger than morphine. All generics should help with pain but brand name and rhodes are helping the most.
7. Sun pharma- these are a glossy oily looking type white circle "460".

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If u need help with cravings u need to be on zubsolv, suboxone, buprenex or sublocade. Buprenorphine hcl does not have naloxone and does not help cravings at all. It is for pain and withdrawal. Bup has been around for decades for pain and withdrawal but the combination of bup and naloxone is what helps cravings. Rhodes is making u feel zombie like and tired because of its potency compared to all other generics. Take half the dose u wud take when u have rhodes and u will see how effective it is and will not be floored from taking a potent dose when ur body has been used to a weak potency of 54 411s. Trust me guys, rhodes is the new brand name purdue has given us, as brand name subutex is not allowed in the states. It is just a matter of getting the dosage right so your not floored, tired and groggy zombie-like. If that makes sense try it. Open ur mind and try this. They also say smaller doses no matter the generic help with pain and the day better but rhodes is the best hands down confirmed with many drs and pharmacists. Just need to find your right dosage. Dont take a full tablet but a half and figure it out. U are getting these groggy and zombie sleepy like feelings due to the high potency and efficiency rhodes offers in their buprenorphine hcl. God bless, love u all. Stay healthy and my prayers are with us all in this crazy time in the world...Not a good time to be unhealthy in the world. Also the sun pharma burn the crap out of your mouth and do not work - "Stay away". Love you guys!

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Re: Charlene (# 552)

Yup charlene, the wafers have been out and approved for awhile. They are very expensive to where I would love to see if they have a free program but nothing is better than rhodes when it comes to bup hcl generics. It is the new brand name for our coountry since brand is not allowed. You just need to find the right dosage for you and rhodes are so strong they certainly can floor u to be groggy sleepy and zombie like just like any other downers can and would. Rhodes is very potent just half it and u will end up with more at end of month and still have a very efficient experience and successful regimen with rhodes once u realize they are brand name and very strong which is good. Just get your dosing right so it doesnt floor u and make u sleepy and zombie like strong opiates do when taken. Remember, good buprenorphine is 40 times stronger than morphine and right now the only solid good bup available in the states is the rhodes purdue made generic. U think purdue will lag on their generics? No. They strive for the best. So remember a good bup tablet can be 40 times stronger than morphine. Yes, the old roxanne 54 411 were pretty darn comparable to rhodes but they are gone. I have a few left and rhodes is still by far better. Just try taking half instead of a whole. This doesnt mean its a crappy generic. It actually means quite the opposite and yes charlene, the wafers have been in production for years but I didnt know they were going to be free. Thanks! Lmk if u get any more info! Love you! God bless.

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Re: Goozer (# 558)

I definitely agree with Rhodes being the best we have. Since on them I have finally found a generic buprenorphine that works for me and it would be very difficult to have to settle with anything else. I just thought these wafer. Ones were new and I never heard of them until now..I don't want anything to do with them. But part of me was thinking maybe they were going to be somewhat stronger..I mean with Purdue behind them and all...but yes no thank you to wafer for now. I'm sticking with Rhodes. When I saw this in email I knew the right man to give me info on this. Thx again for your reply

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Re: Charlene (# 559)

no charlene i think u r right i think they are much stronger buprenorphine products. I am sure the wafers are way strong and a wonderful buprenorphine product. I need to do some research on them personally. I think being on wafers would be great and the fact that it is new type of bup product is interesting. i would love to try them but as for switching to them lol not sure about that but thank u for reminding me bout them and please let me know if u find anything out about them or find anything on the program to get some free.

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