Heroin 4-5 Hrs After Suboxone??

Any1 know if it's okay to take heroin say 4-5 hrs AFTER having taken my first dose - 6 decidedly inadequate mgs - of suboxone?

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In reality, it's never okay to take heroin.

However, to answer your question, doing it within hours of having used Suboxone is probably futile and dangerous, since the Buprenorphine is a very potent narcotic and the Naloxone is used to neutralize other narcotics.

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Have you considered talking to a doctor to get help?

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Verwons answer to this is 100% incorrect. Sigh, I wish, before people answer someones' question they would know what the hell they are talking about. When a question arises, esp one concerning your health &/or something as serious as withdrawals, my first tip would be to research, research & research. The internet is a good place for this. just consider where the inormation or knowledge is coming from, what is,if any,a potential agenda & don't believe every tom, dick & Verwon...Whether it be suboxone or subutex you must wait 12-24 hours since your last vike,oxy,shot etc. Sometimes you have to wait as long as 36 hrs to take either sub after methadone. If you take either subs before you are in withdrawal you risk going into something called precipitated withdrawal which is painful, nightmarish & excruciating. How can one be perfectly safe & know EXACTLY when (between the 12 to 24 hr period)they are in appropriate withdrawal to take suboxone or subutex? Type in COWS on the internet, it stands for clinical opiate withdrawal scale, upon examination of said scale you will then be able to properly gage your level of withdrawal & are then able to take your first dose of either sub. If you have suboxone you must wait(& again COWS wil help you determine this)to take it until you are in moderate to severe withdrawal. If you are in possesion of subutex(COWS once again shall help determine this)you must wait until you are in mild to moderate withdrawal. And, once more just to reiterate,whether mild or severe withdrawal symptoms, do not take either until 12-24 hrs since your last opiate. Very common out there/here,all around the internet is all the disinformation when it comes to the taking of the subs & the harm(or harmless)it may or may not cause before or after opiate intake. I have said this before & I hope I dont have to keep saying this too much longer...All the above info I have given in this reply is absolutely correct. However, let me comment on this sort of ill informed hysteria about people using vicodin, oxys,roxys,heroin etc. after they have dosed with suboxone or subutex. This is not unsafe, harmful or dangerous nor will it cause you to go into precipitated withdrawal(only the OTHER way around). You could (if so desired) take a few pills or shoot up some heroin even an hour after doing either sub. Now because the bupe in both has filled in so may receptors it would be difficult to get high esp the high that you would like or are used to getting. as a very general rule it usually takes at least 24 hrs, 36 is better, to really feel your opiate D.O.C. in any strong, enjoyable way.

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Basically you said the same thing 24-36 hours like i said 4 hours per mg so 8 mg suboxone =32 hrs

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Hi I am tryin to kick H. I am taking suboxone and am on tasc. My question is if I'm taking suboxone and then take H. About 30-45 min later I know I won't feel the effect but will the H. show up on a drug test? I'm doing this to try and releve the stress of quiting. I know it's not smart but mentally it is helping I'm not having any bad reactions from doing this I'm just worried about showing up dirty on my drug testing. Does anyone have any legit knowledge that ill be dirty or clean if I'm smoking after I take my 8mg suboxone dose?

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Suboxone has naxolone in it which is supposed to block the heroin from u getting high nothing else. U will test dirty the same as with out suboxone

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YOU GO LOLA!!! U ARE 100% CORRECT!!!!

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I have taken suboxone in the past to get off roxys. I bought 3 8Mg strips. I took 1 the first day the second i cut 1in half and did half the second day and half the 3rd day. I did the same thing day 4 and by day 5 i no longer needed the last half. I stayed clean a couple months and went back to the opiates. This time i switched to hydromorphone (dilaudid). Ive been back on them for over a year. Now i bought 2 strips and 2 pills. I did my last 2 pills last night, woke up early for a job interview and took a whole strip. After my interview, i went to town and boight another k8 (dilaudid). NOTE. i took the suboxone around 9 or 930 am. Anyways, i come home and wait and wait some more deeply regreting taking the suboxone because i wanted that k8 in my veins soooo bad. Finally, at about quarter to 5, just a few minutes ago, i couldnt take it anymore, hence "addicted", so i put 1/2 of my little peice of heaven into my spoon, drawed it up and did it. I got a rush, although not as strong as usual, it worked. I am 130 lbs, 5'5" and the suboxone has been in my system for roughly 8 hours. I dont know if my experience can give anyone clarity, but i dont feel sick and i DO feel the opiates. Im struggling with my addiction because its hard work finding pills sometimes. I know i will get off them...again, but living in THE pill mill state, its only a matter of time before i will be back to playin arm darts after i get clean. Btw F%#k FLORIDA! moving to Florida is what got me addicted in the first place, and yes i, know i should relocate but unless your putting money in my pocket, i think you should leave those opinions to yourselves. Thank you, and i hope this helps someone.
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I started 8mg of suboxone 24 hours ago and had another 18 hours ago. It gave me severe head aches, insomnia(due to head aches) but generally helped my mild w/drawls. I have been banging Dilaudid 8mg x 2 every 4 hours for 6 months. Pain is real the introduction to my body is addictive behavior but I'll deal with that soon enough. Any way my question is My doc gave me a new script for Dillies do to head aches and I want to bang a couple, due to hours since sub was administered above is 17 hours ago and counting enough time to get off. Thanks

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Suboxone's half life is AT LEAST 24 hours, 24 hours is generally how long the half life is for someone with a fast metabolism. You need to wait at least a full day and a half since your last dose of suboxone (unless it was under 1mg or so) in order to feel anything from your gear of choice

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My fiance is on subutex and im preaty certin hes using herion aswell and i dont no wot to do coz if i aproach him with wat i think hes goes crazy and diverts the argument to me and calls me horrible names coz im the one thats accusing him.. I really dont no wot to do i have never been on drugs myself so i dont no alot about it

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Badger, it is kinda useless to use any opiates(heroin, opiates) while taking Suboxone as it contains a drug, I believe it naproxlene(spelling?) which eliminates the ability to get high. Even if you use a ton of heroin the naproxlene blocks a persons ability to get high. So if he is using heroin he would be wasting his money. Additionally it takes about a day and a half to completely get the naproxlene out of his system therefore if he is using heroin he is not getting high or wasting his money if he is or he has stopped taking the suboxone over a day and a half ago. Hope this helps.

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Look I've been taking suboxone since January 09. I was a bad heroin addict and had been clean for about 6 months and believe or not stopped to grab a soda at a bodega on my way home one night and found 3 subs wrapped in cigarette cellophane. Now I don't know about anywhere else but in Philly suboxone are easy as dope to get there hundreds and hundreds of doctors who prescribe them. Now after you pay the $150 to see the doc every month welfare charges you $1 for 90 8mg subs, which can be filled every 25 days. There is a specific corner right under the el where junkies sell Em 25/8...Lol 24/7 I was just trying to emphasize how available they are. Anyway I found them and knew a lot about em because that's how I would kick in the past or if for whatever reason didn't save 2 bags for the morning I always kept a few of them as backup. They are $10 all day on the streets and will keep you well longer then a bag. So that night I took one and I was f***in mangled! BENT! TWISTED! To the point I was nodding but still didn't sleep that night but got up for work the next day and felt like a million bucks like I slept all night.

So that was then this is now. A few times I would get bored and not take em for a few days even went a week cold turkey and the worst withdrawal I got was restless legs and trouble sleeping which ain't s*** compared to dope. Now to your issue I have also gotten bored stopped for a few days and then taken dope for a couple weeks then right before I lost control started subs again. I've tapered myself I've done a ton of my own experiments. They are a favorite of ppl in recovery house because most are to cheap to buy the sub test strip. Now u e been on and off doing this dope which is as good as it was 6 months ago which is odd. Now I'll take a half of sub at 2:30 when I get to work (passed their initial drug test at a hospital to get this job all while taking subs) then I go grab a bag on my 6:30 lunch and I'm bent EVERY TIME! I am very hyper with a high metabolism. 29 yrs old 6 ft 2 160 been that height and weight since high school. Now today (MERRY CHRISTMAS MY SUBOXONE FRIENDS.!) Now I'm not bragging just stating facts so that people will stop giving false info because everybody's biological clock is different.

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I relapsed on heroin after taking subs now I am worrying I am going to overdose - I do not feel good. will I be ok?

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Yeah, you will have the heroin in your system. It just won't bind to your receptors. That's the part that makes you feel it.

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I usually take 16mg of subutex. I have done h while on it. When the sub is taken intravenously it takes about 16-24 hours to get full effect again. It didn't matter if I took 8mg or 32 mg. it still took/takes same amount of time to get the full agonist effects again.

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I take 80mg OC, about 5 times daily, a pill each time. (Yes they are real OCs, not OPs). Took a half of a suboxone, and ended up taking OC about 30 minutes later. I couldn't even tell I had taken the sub. Later I mentioned it to a friend and he was amazed that I had felt reilef after taking the sub. So I got on here to do a little research and it seems people have different results, i have still to come across someone who has felt nothing after using after taking a sub. Just less powerful in some cases.

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I agree with Lola completely... You simply cannot take sub unless you are already in withdrawal mode or you'll be praying for death and she's right about the 36 hours after taking a sub until you'll feel the effects of an opiate because I've tested this theory after 6 hrs and repeated it every few hours(wasted 5 bags of good dope) but didn't feel a thing until almost exactly 36 hours. Everybody is different but this was my experience. I have never participated in any forum before but when I read Lola's response, I just had to give her props for speaking about what she was certain was true, contrary to other people who spew bs because they like to hear themselves talk.p

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I'm really surprised that a suboxone doctor only has you on 6mgs a day for a heroin substitute. I would be honest with your doctor and let them know it's not enough. I only had an opana habit (a terrible several year long one) but none the less it was probably slightly less strong then a heroin addiction. Im prescribed 12mgs a day. Wean in 9 months and get completely off in two years.

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the op was asking about using a full agonist opiate heroin after he already took 6 mg of suboxone beforehand. Precipitated withdrawal is only recieved when going from a full agonist to partial agonist so heroin to suboxone no precipitated withdrawal will be recieved going from suboxone to heroin. now the question is whether you can an the answer is yes but theyre will be a few issues with this you have to check. One being the amount of time 4 hours afterwards is rather short amount of time after just taking 6mg of sub. but you also stated inadequate amount assumibly a dose that did not completly take away withdrawals. and if it didnt completly take away withdrawal then your receptors arent completly full. so i believe that 4 or 5 hours is a good amount of time after to take the heroin. but a few other things to add first the high might not be a strong because even though you felt the dose was inadequite it still could have some of the receptors taken by suboxone. so if you keep trying to get higher and higher and you cant its because of the suboxone still in your system. So be carefull when using full agonist while on or coming of partial agonist like suboxone.personally ive used heroin and suboxone in the same day for multiply weeks in a row. id just does my suboxone in the morning which was between .5 and 2mg and simetimes id even start using like an hour after i took my dose. didnt hit me real hard soon after taking it but the longer ya wait the more intense the effects will become. the days that i wouldnt use till 7 or soin the evening id feel a stronger effect than when i would use almost immediatly after.

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you will have to wait before taking the suboxone again. but not too long id say 8-16 12 would be your average. just wait till you feel slight withdrawal symptoms kick in. im talking sweaty anxious no need to wait till your puking and ahit your brains out. just enough discomfort to where you feel you need it. 12 is my go to ao if i use at 10 pm the night before i just wait till at least 10am. and you should be good to go. if your still worried about precip withdrawal you can take 2 mg at a time every hour till you feel the withdrawals subsiding.

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I've been taking sub's since Saturday night. 1, 8mg every morning at 7am before work. Its now about 4pm, would it be alright if I took a .1 or would that just make me sick or start my whole withdrawal process over? Or is .1 in a 4 day gap not that big of a deal? Don't plan on having it again after this.

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If you're going to rant about people not knowing what they're talking about, please read the question. OF COURSE you wait to take bupe/subs after heroin. The question is how long after taking a sub, can you take heroin. Please read the question correctly. Especially if you're going to give a smart ass answer lol you can do opiates after subs, you just won't feel it and should be very careful. You will not withdrawal but could OD if not careful. I urge you to do exactly what you told others and read carefully and research. Thanks :)

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If u take say 4 mgs of sub U can feel euphoric effects 9-12 hours later. As long as Ur receptors aren't fully occupied IE a dose of 4mg or under 10 hours ago U can still feel euphoric effects. So enough with this 25-48 hours bulls***.

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Lola you are right to wait 24 hours to take sub but that's not the question. it's reversed. see he wants to know how long to wait to take h after already taking the sub. in other words sub is in his system and he wants to know when the blocker agent wares off.

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Hello tone I have some questions for you. I have been abusing drugs for almost 2 years now it is now February of 2015. I quit for about 3 weeks in June - July 2014 and I have been taking subs and still smoking dope. I'm wondering if I stop smokingandcontinue to take the subs will I get withdrawals. Some days I would forget the take the subs and take them a few days later mind u still smoking multiple times a day. And I wouldnt get sick. Is this because the 8mg subs isn't enough for the h in my system. Plz help me

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Been taking anywhere from 3-5 30mg oxys for 3 years and ate hydrocodone before that. 3 days ago I ran out. That night I ran out (3 nights ago) I was calling everyone I knew and found a suboxone strip 8mg. I was without oxys for about 10 hours when I got the strip. I took half of the strip right then. This was my first time taking suboxone. I didn't feel anything off of the strip but it stopped my withdraws and curved my oxy cravings. I have severe back problems and it even helped the pain a little. The next morning day 2 I woke up and my back was hurting really bad. I wasn't wanting for pills nor withdrawing... Just in pain. So I took the other half of the strip I had. I felt fine untill 10pm of day two, I was in so much pain I was in tears and had found some pills by then but was scared to take them because it had only been a few hours sense I took the Suboxone. So today is day 3 it's 9 am I took my last piece of suboxone roughly 14 hours ago I was in extreme pain this morning so I decided to take 3 hydrocodone 10mg to try and kill the pain and........ It worked! My back feels much better. After I get my back fixed I plan on going to a clinic and getting some more suboxone to kick this pill habit. Sub is great for withdraws off pills in my opinion.

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Reason this works for u but not all ppl is because there is always a bit of the sub still on ur receptors...it never fully leaves ur system, go over 2weeks with no subs then try to make switch that close and you'll be in utter hell

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Hey wondering if anyone can help. I have been on subutex a couple of times and for anyone who doubts that they will feel withdrawal after taking subs too soon after gear is crazy. I have wished myself dead many occasions being up and constantly clucking for days ( with 2 teenage boys to look after) until the effects of the sub have worn off. No matter how much gear you take within those first 24 hours you will not feel any better due to the blocker effect and the only reason you may is if it's more a case of mind over matter that you can feel the gear making you better. I take 8 mls daily and yesterday was my first dose on this particular script. Foolishly today I have used a bag which has had no effect but now worrying about tomorrow's dose. I am presuming I will be ok due to the blocking effect of the suby having no effect but as this gear is still running through my body will the same apply. I have work which is physical and can not go there rattling. Pls help.

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@ helpnout...... I have to disagree with part of what you said...and I am saying this in the most respectful way, honest. You are correct, methadone IS normally used for heroin treatment but not only....some docs use it for chronic pain. Although you did not say it was ONLY used for that.....but, heroin IS a narcotic, it is a schedule I, meaning it cannot be legally prescribed. That part I'm sure everyone knows. But, I have been told suboxone has been being used in many cases over methadone in the treatment of heroin addiction being that it is a NARC. Just thought I would add my two cents since I know a lot of things in medicine have changed and it is quite normal to use certain meds "off label."

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You wouldn't ask that question if you were an addict. An addict will stop at nothing to get the feeling they are looking for whether it be comfort from one opiate or another. That's why someone might take a sub and still think about herion/opiates. Think twice before asking a question without any thought to it. There are a lot of people as you put it "dancing with the devil," but unwillingly. I myself took subs and felt so horrible I thought a bag would help. So to answer your question, it's bc its a struggle and it will never be easy. Any more brain busters?

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