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i took 8 mg suboxone at 5am. when can i take heroin again?

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If u have taken subbi a ful 8mil at least 24 hour mate u wil get nowt from dig as u no subutex r ful ov blocker all tho they r good if u snort thm if u ent had no gear in a wile take it easy and b careful bruv

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Hi Summer..Don't even think about that right now. The important thing is he is getting healthy.Some people stay on it for a short time, and I have heard some patients are on a year or more. The only thing to think about is he isn't useing heroin anymore.Your son with his doctors help will know when and if he should start to taper. First he has to get stablized on the suboxone..Take it slow...Good Luck for you both..Just don't try to talk him out of quitting it b4 he is ready that is when people relapse

PHN

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the kid asked a question.....so for those of you who dont have a correct answer to the question to the best of your knowledge, then STFU......why would u even be here to comment on this subject if you cant answer the question. take your preaching somewhere where someone asks for it. i hate people who force their opinions and ideas on others.

here try this 1 out. i love heroin. you should all shoot it. god loves you anyways. so just blast a hit........see, my opinion isnt the same as others. so shoot me. its sounds stupid what i wrote because you dont agree with it right. well guess what, there are those that dont agree with you, so shove it. start a blog or something on the dangers of drug addiction, or on the benefits of rehab.

but why the F you would preach your meaningless propaganda in response to an honest question by someone looking for an honest answer is beyond me. do you really think the BS that you judgemental fools preach is gonna be taken seriously by the person who asked the question???? if you do you are an idiot. and say what you want about me, you know nothing about me. i just hate judgemental people who speak and preach to people they know nothing about.

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This is all garbage advice. Everyones body, metabolism and tolerance is different. I know people who take sub every day before work and get high every night afterwards. I've heard different opinions. Some people say it actually gets you more high. Others say it's a waste. I've experienced both.

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First you need to find someone selling suboxone. If you have the resources to get heroin then this is usually not a hard task. They go for about 12 dollars a piece. If you are up to a gram of H a day the it will probably take 4 subs to take and gradually get off. Once you have the subs, break them up into 4's and take one every 12 hours. Wait until you start to go into with withdrawl from H. This is important. Take your first broken piece. You may find you need to take another piece a few hours later. You will find that all the symptoms of withdrawl go away. Upset stomach, chills, diarrhea, muscle pain. Wait for about 12 hours and take another broken off piece. Keep following taking pieces when you start feeling pain. by doing this you will eventually by day 4 not need anything. You will not feel any withdrawls and you can continue to work during the process because you never get sick.

Here the problem being an addict. Don't start taking the suboxone after the 4 days. You may not feel 100% but you will not even come close to being sick. You will just be back to being you and that is a tough part because you want to be high only you just will be normal.
Believe me, get out of the sickness expected. Only problem is you will think, Hey I found a way to get high and not have to suffer the consequences with your new found trick.
What I told you will get you out of using without the sickness but it is up to you to move on and never use again.
That is the physical part... the rest is up to you. But I just gave you info to endure and get past the horror of opiate withdrawl.

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onandoff 21 minutes ago
I wanted to add this. My initial post is to get you off H without the horrifying mental attack you will go through along with the physical withdraws.
That is just the first part of the solution of the mess you have created.
Once you get past this and you are able to put your head on a pillow and go to sleep (which is the biggest gift) you also will not have the crazy thoughts or dreams and if you do they will be mild.
I just realized you spend 500 bucks a day. Where I am that would be about 7 grams a day. You should be dead. Anyway Suboxone is still the route to go, its just you are going to have to learn the doses on your own to get you passed the sickness, but not high and taper off. Doctors could help but the addict is the best pharmacist out there. Main thing is not to take too many Subs. You will do this cause you are an addict but remember it there just to keep you off the verge of withdrawl sickness.

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onandoff 1 second ago
I keep adding to this string because I presented this and its coming out as a rough draft to your question and suggestions to everyone involved in this nightmare.
This info I have provided will get you past the devil but when you start feeling better the devil is going to come knocking. From there you need to seek professional help and I recommend Narcotics Anonymous.
As always getting past the devil of withdraw is the biggest hurdle. The second is for you to find something to do with your time to not use again. That part is all on you. At least from the info I have given you it gets you past the first part of fighting with the devil himself.
You will see. Follow what I have presented and dont get hooked on subs and use them to get back to normal. The rest is all about who you are!

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Actually, many people with chronic pain do use heroin. To someone who has chronic pain and as someone who has been through the medical system over and over to no avail, this substance is a godsend. You are correct, the medical system fails to provide adequate pain relief to average and deserving individuals. Suboxone cures withdrawal related pain, but it doesn't help very much pre-existing pain conditions. Not every user is an abuser. Many addicts are just people who the medical system has failed. I don't see how you came to the conclusion that the original poster wants anyone to feel sorry for him or has "mental pain."

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You're son doesn't need a nag. You asked so I'm telling you. The reality is that this will be the hardest thing that he'll ever face and you'll never really know the struggle and the level until your going through it. I beat HEROINS ASS!!! LOL it took a handful of dead friends and a prison stay so I'd say your boy just needs you. Stop being so mad and love him even if it's too his death. Sorry if I come across rude. Only the truth will help him.

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Can somebody please tell me how long I should wait after taking 8 mil of suboxone to feel the effects of smoking a bag of heroin

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First to answer the question because that is what this website is for. Justin6 it depends on a few variables such as how long you've been taking subs and what mg and how much heroin you have at your disposal. But basically you can take opiates whenever you want if your on subs, if it's to early you simply wont feel it. What you dont want to do is go from a gram daily habit to immediately taking suboxone, as that will make you instantly withdrawal and bad. I've done it cuz I was impatient. But now I know.

So to go from subs to dope try to wait at least 24 hours, the longer you can hold out the more likely you'll feel a smaller amount. If you cant wait till your feeling the suboxone withdrawals then your just going to need more dope and even then it doesnt have that rush and wont last as long. I've personally went from just 8mg a day sub use for about 3 months to waiting 24 hours then taking a half gram over an hour still being able to do more. I've heard that it's dangerous however and could cause an overdose. That's why heroin is not a solitary drug. Do it with others and with narcan then I want to say it's safe but that would sound funny even to me.

Then to go from dope to subs wait till your in serious withdrawals before taking subs sweating profusely, s***ting, agitated, yawning, restless legs. Look up COWS induction chart. That will tell you when you can take your first suboxone based on your symptoms. If you dont wait till withdrawals then you will soon be in withdrawals and its intense and because of the intensity and short time frame you last used you'll want to use to stop the torture only to realize you wasted the subs and the opiate of choice. If anyone wants to see what precipitated withdrawals are about or you were impatient, you can take an opiate and it will calm down the withdrawals. It wont stop them completely and you wont feel euphoric but you wont be in complete agony anymore. Xanax works great in that situation.

To susan and anyone who thinks God can help or that this person even wants your religious input or an opinion on the question left. This is going to say a lot I understand but I answered the question and im not going to continue to clog up the answer section with a bunch of bulls*** opinions especially if the question asker asks me politely to not post anymore opinions. So God left this planet a long time ago if he/she/it ever was here. If god was here people wouldnt suffer, get raped murdered, babys wouldnt die, governments wouldnt be corrupt- hell if god were here there would be no need for a government or cops or jails because people would do the right thing. Idk it would just be so simple for god to come down and talk to people (apparently hes already talked to people so why not again) so he comes down and lays out "not laws" but how people should treat one another and then no laws would even be needed. And people shouldnt do or not do things because they are afraid of the consequence they should behave a certain way because they wouldn't want someone else to treat them that way, or their son or daughter, or any other family member in any way bad so you should not treat someone a way you wouldn't want to be treated. Next god then says o yea now that you see I am in fact real because I created intelligent creatures I understand you would question my existence I mean a wild claim of a magical man in the sky certainly would need a fair bit of proof before you should believe it. Any intelligent person should question that, I understand that. I made intelligent people who should search for truth. (God still speaking): S*** unless it was one of my days off and you turned out retarded then I expect you'll question my existence, it's a wild claim. Ok so now that you all see I'm here and real you can bet I'll throw your ass in a lake of fire and brimstone FOREVER if you don't treat others fairly and with respect. Even though I will always love you and created you in my own image I will condemn you to eternal suffering if you aren't a decent human being. Gays I created you too but you wont produce children to work and pay taxes and your way to happy so you can burn for eternity also. (For the simple minded, yes that was sarcasm) So he says that from the beginning and no one will get out of line because people are taught (and I suppose fear hell) from the beginning how to treat others with love and respect and not hatred and prejudice. Hate and prejudice are learned behaviors.

All you opinion s***ters who dump all over Q & A forums heres a rhetorical question so dont answer but I'm sure you wont anyway because you feel it doesn't apply to you. Do you really believe leaving an opinion or telling people to pray about it is constructively adding to these Q & As all over the web? Just for fun then I'm done imagine how you would feel if you asked a few people- Hey can someone give me a different strawberry shortcake recipe mine just isnt coming out right? Answer 1 you fat f*** you shouldnt eat anything with the word cake in it. Answer 2 wtf do I look like a baker, ask god to deliver. Answer 3 You are dumb as a speed bump it's more likely god will deliver the cake then you making it right. Just give up now before the house starts on fire or like the first poster said before you die of obesity. And we wouldn't want that because we all care about you. Wwjd how would you feel.

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Susan, your not good people. and by the way if you can't get a script for pain meds when you need it?? you must have a problem with them yourself, because if your not a seeker, you can go get a script no problem!

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puh lease! no one is better than anyone on here..people are simply asking QUESTIONS not asking for a has been who thinks she's better than everyone else to preach to anyone about what her kids or husbands doing in the next room. trust me sweetheart none of us looked up at mom and said i wanna be a junkie!! but s**t happens and NEVER say NEVER. i was a stuck up little bitch at one point too and thought i would never! but ive come to learn the things i talked sooo much s**t about and thought was so bad comes back ten times on you. your opinion isnt gonna stop anyone from doing from what they're doing and you can stop trying to be a hero because well YOUR NOT.

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I can't get over the people who have commented negatively.
The kid wants to know something, but instead of helping you abuse.
I think the negative ones are the ones wanting attention and need help.
Addiction to heroin is a horrible disease - I have been on and off it since I was 14 (now 36.) The last thing someone like me needs is lame arse comments from morons.
You are only showing hate and ignorance.
Addicts know they have a problem and this kid has obviously gotten help - but until you have been there, battling the mind f***s each day, you shouldn't comment.
So let's hope no one close to you gets caught up in this nasty situation, because you abusers would only make them want to do more.
I just drove my best friend to the Dr's for help with her addiction, for the 7th time... When we were on our way home, her dealer answered her text, saying he would meet her, so she asked me to drive her...
I could have abused her and made her feel lower than she already was, but what is the point?
I know what it feels like to have Miss Heroin niggling at my feet - and I know it's super hard to beat the desire to get on.
So I drove her and at the same time scored for myself.
Beating the want for heroin is hard, and the f*** it attitude is too strong sometimes... All I can do is be there for her each and every time she asks for my help.
AND, I knew I wouldn't feel the gear, but I had it anyway.
A lesson learned for me.
Your negativity isn't needed in this area - it's hard enough without you lot thinking you know it all.
So, Justsin6 ---- I hope you didn't waste it like me and got to read the useful comments before you used.
Goodluck to you, buddy.
Keep fighting!

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This is by far the worst form, I have ever read, so many of the responses are horrible,I feel like its feeding time at the zoo, My god grow up, Why are you so angry. Have a great life . Kara

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you can shoot dope 5 hours after but won't feel much... wait 4 hours per mg of sub.. so if you took just one 8mg thats about 32 hours... then all the receptors will be cleared of subs

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Susan, no one NEEDS god. that's ridiculous statement. Only the week and uninformed believe they NEED god. My God is the one true God and he doesn't force himself on you, or try to make you fear Him into believing or worshiping Him. He wants you to come to Him and you will have a true one on one relationship. The one True God, HAIL SATAN!

BTW, just because someone is an addict doesn't make them a terrible person. It is NOT a character flaw, it's a disease. I am so sick of people who treat addicts and recovering addicts like less than human because we suffer from a very common illness. Grow up Susan.

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Lorna,
I have no idea what yall are beefin about but if you found God(which i wont doubt because we all say things we dont mean when we're upset)then you certainly dont want to wish HELL on ur worse enemy so...um..thats something to think about hon..Pretty harsh for someone who found God...just sayin

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This was the most insightful and compassionate comment posted to the question. By simply saying go to rehab and find God which is not a simple concept is assuming that the drug addict hasn't done or tried those things. If your lacking knowledge about addiction one shouldn't impose such silly opinions.

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I am a mother of a 23 yr old herion user. When he finally admitted he was he went to detox for 3 days and came out with Suboxone. I found out recentley that he is also back on the Herion while taking the Suboxones. Does any one else care what this drug does to a parent and not only the user ? I am going through hell right now and at times would much rather detach myself from my son than rather watch him slowing killing himself. Suboxones must get you high because people are buying them for $12.00 a piece. WTF. Doctors dont care ,its all about money.It is true, he must want to quit on his own but the Subs arent helping him a bit.I dont want to bury my son. Maybe all you uses should think of someone else before you start using.If you have the urge call someone for support. Change your friends and surronding. GOD does come into play if you believe. F*** suboxones and all the drug companys.

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I'm sorry but as a post op surgery patient off sub for three weeks let me tell you a FACT. YOUR TOLERANCE DOES NOT DECREASE, it increases. They had to put me on 4 mg dilaudid IV round the clock to control my pain and the pain specialist CONFIRMED that sub increases your tolerance to opiates since suboxone is one of the most potent narcotics out there. It doesn't cross the blood brain barrier so you don't get high, except for the first few times you take it. That being said the longer you wait after taking a sub the more you will feel. If you have only taken one 8 mg and have not taken them before 24-36 hours is your best bet. If you have been on maintenance for more than a day you need to wait at least 96 and be feeling some wd from sub to get anything out of it. And listen we all know heroin is bad. But let me tell you so is suboxone. Why? Because if you end up in an acute pain situation most docs know very little to nothing about suboxone, and bc they then slap the drug seeker label on you trying to get pain control in a serious situation is a nightmare and an uphill fight just to not be in pain. In fact most docs have very little pain management education leading to very little empathy even in those who are in chronic pain.

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I was on 16mg subs a day for about 2 weeks, I stopped taking them 4 days ago but took one 8mg yesterday at noon, shot some fire dope same amount as I used to 3 bags and I got wrecked like I used to. I could tell it was SLIGHTLY diminished, but I wasn't having any suboxone withdrawals before I shot up and it was like 26 hours after my 8mg sub and I still got high, everybody is different but I find that if you take the subs less often and take breaks it leaves the receptors a little quicker...I could only imagine the rush I would have got if I didn't take that 8mg yesterday, but regardless I was in heaven.

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