How To Take Suboxone At Home (Page 7)

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I have ten suboxones. I have been taking oxycontin for pain but want to try at home to w/d. I can't discuss this with my doctor as it will affect my insurance. This is a fact..in my case... Can someone on here tell me how to take my subs? I would appreciate any answers and no lectures. How many do I need to withdraw..Thanks so much.

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please stop dispensing "advice" because you are so wrong.

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Hi! I really need some advice. I have a child that needs my attention so I can't sleep through the w/d's. I have 4 8mg subs-- the under your tongue kind. My friend swears these are a miracle drug. I have tapered the past two days. (I take norco 5, lortab 10, and opana 30 <-- on occasion) I just need this to be over. I don't want to lose my family. I have the leg pain and headaches so I think I am about there. But I cannot get anymore of the subs so I need to do this right and be done. Any tips/advice would be great.

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What advice are u suggesting is so wrong?

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sorry, that comment was to someone else who has since removed their comments. you are fine.

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well, if you dont relapse, the rehabs lose a huge part of their customer base! to these people, you are not a "person with a life-threatening illness", you are a "customer". kinda sick, huh?

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I take about 60mg a day of percs or dope, I'm over feeling trapped & broke:/ I got 8 8mg-mg - how much should I take first dose? & how many days do u wait to cut back thank you so much...

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Well first of all, whether they are subutex or suboxone, you need those "real opiates" to get out of your system. if you are still full of opiates and you take bupe, you will go into "precipitated withdrawals", which is the worst thing EVER. so you are gonna have to let yourself get a bit ill before you start. w/ opiates, i would say 24 hours, methadone 48 and i dont really know how long for pills but probably somewhere in between. you need to be feeling pretty crappy. i took subutex too soon after dope once and went into the w.ds ive ever had, like flipping OUT. (also dont believe anyone on here who says its ok to take subutex w.o. the naloxone right away b.c. its not true) and since you only have 64 mgs total of the bupe (thats the amount i took in 3 days when i was on bupe) well....i think you are just gonna drag it out longer if you take the bupe. i mean, you have to be in w.ds to start the bupe, then you will feel better for a few days taking the bupe, only to go back to w.ds when the bupe runs out. i just dont think you have enough bupe to make much difference. I mean 8 mgs wouldnt even have touched me. when i decreased the bupe, i went down 2 to 4 mgs at a time FROM 28 TO 32 MGS, so... can you get more bupe?

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Your going to feel pain. But it's pain or addiction.

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No one pill will not fix you! You will need to taper.

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A 14 day regimen is not necessary. I have been on subs for three years. During this time I have had to have surgery in which I have had to return to using percs. Thus withdraw again. Just a few subs were needed.

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Listen to your body. If the subs have worked then you will know. If your not withdrawing anymore then they have done their job.

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You don't need to be in full withdraw before taking a sub. I have been on them for three years. I know. That's terrible advice. Your telling what u have read not what you have experienced. You only need to wait about 18 hours after your last opiate use to use a suboxone.

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No, i am telling what i have experienced. you are just plain WRONG. you tell someone its ok to take subutex too soon and you are going to send them into precipitated withdrawals, which is the worst thing ive ever experienced. yes, EXPERIENCED. ive been a opiate addict for 30 years, ive been on subutex, suboxone, methadone liquid, methadone tablets....i know what im talking about. and if you like, you can look it up. its called PRECIPITATED WITHDRAWALS. they are from taking a partial agonist/antagonist too soon after full agonist opiates. you can look that up too. naabt.org/faq_answers.cfm?ID=5

now you DO say to wait 18 hours before taking the subs. which is accurate if you are talking about opiates like oxys or vicodin. but if a person has been without their primary opiate of choice for 18 hours, they likely WOULD BE in withdrawal anyway, so you are correct.... in a way. actually you arent making a lot of sense. and with methadone, a person needs to wait more like 48 hours because methadone takes a lot longer to leave your body than other opiates. this i also know from EXPERIENCE.

please stop telling people they dont need to be in withdrawal before they take bupe. your inaccurate advice is going to send someone into some seriously bad withdrawals. i was pre-med at berkeley, and studied addiction medicine extensively (yes, a junkie studying junkies), my addiction doctor is the leading addiction specialist in colorado, was the addiction specialist for the denver nuggets NBA team, and speaks in front of the colorado state legislature on matters of addiction and treatment. so this isnt just coming from my experience AND my studies, this is coming from him. you should trust me on this.

and again...please, PLEASE...anyone planning on taking buprenorphine after full agonist opiates...DO NOT listen to this person who says you dont have to be in withdrawals before starting subutex/suboxone! you will regret it!

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Hi, I have been taking opiates now for four yrs. I like everyone else is ready to stop. I have 2 subs, the orange pills, I know you have to start when you are in full withdrawals, I'm wondering if I should take the whole pill at first, or do I break it in half and take half? Thank you anyone who can help me with this.

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Dib: I doubt that only 2 suboxone pills is going to do much for you. It will help with maybe a day or two's worth of withdrawal symptoms, but once that wears off, you are going to be sick. Sorry, but 2 is just not enough to do a real detox. Any possibility of getting more? Or can you go to a suboxone doctor and start a real withdrawal plan?

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I don't want to give a lecture as u said but there is ABSOLUTELY no one liner answer that is accurate in all or even most cases. As far as background I has a 10 to 50 30mg Roxy contin addiction both oral, IM and IV. During which time I tried 4 rapid detix centers, 3 12 step facilities, 2 narcanon, 4 out patient facilities and 3 suboxone out patient attempts.
Bottom line is you absolutely do not want to take it without being in full withdrawal and there are specific clinical guidelines to determine when that is. It varies depending on your drug of choice and it ts half life of which methadone is generally the longest. Also the dosage and duration you were on it is relevant. I have witnessed people given the wrong dose at the wrong time, but more importantly and TRUST me on this had it given to me to early once when my addiction was severe and it was overwhelmingly more severe withdrawal symptoms that when given at the correct time with the right dose. Do not take this lightly. The adverse affects can be dangerous and and intensely painful if done incorrectly. PLEASE leave it to a professional. With over a dozen attempts at treatment in a half dozen different types treatment and over a million $$$ waisted on the drug n treatment. Trust me do it right the first time rather that foolishly as I did.

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T TIME: That precipitated withdrawal IS a b****, ain't it? I thought I knew what pretty bad withdrawals were. Oh, oh NO friend..... LOOK OUT!!!!!

Those are some serious heeby friggin jeebies, that precip. stuff. You don't want any PART of those thangs...

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Yes, it is worse than hell. I was taking over 25 plus Roxy's a day when a detox facility who was not familiar with treating such high dose patients gave me subs before I was in full withdrawal which in my case was around 18 hours at the time. Though I felt like hell at that moment due to the onset of regular withdrawals, when I was given the subs I immediately began horrific hallucinations, vomiting, uncontrollable diariaha, feelings if ants crawling all over my body, hearing noises that weren't real, physical pain so severe I bacame uncontrollable to refrain me in my bed by staff. It was physically, emotionally, and mentally everything thing one would imagine hell to be like. Granted I was on unusually high dose of opiates when this occurred, but it is not worth the risk of taking to early for anyone in my opinion. It has the potential to make regular withdrawals seem like a trip to Disney Land if subs are given too early.

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Mine happened when I took opiates and didn't wait long enough to start the subs back up. It was really good, really long acting opiates and I just rushed it. MISTAKE. I was in the bed, then the couch, then the bed, then the couch...I was LITERALLY climbing the walls. Begging my husband to smother me with a pillow. (And not in a joking way) I had no clue why this was happening at the time. I was having the things "crawling" on me as well, and leg spasms so bad I thought my bones would break. My husband started shoving trazodone down my throat until finally I passed out after about 7 of them. Holy friggin hell. That's the first and ONLY time I ever want to go through that stuff. I slept for a couple hours from the trazodone, and when I woke up my clothes were completely drenched, I had a bloody nose and I felt like I had gone 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. AND...I had pissed myself. Just a complete horror flick.

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I have done this process 100 times. Been on dope and oxies for 14 years. Wait until the morning time, so that u have had 8-12 hours w no drugs. Then, take 2 mgs of the subs. If its a pill, cut it into 2mg chunks, if its an 8mg strip, cut it in quarters. Put the strip or chunk under ur tongue amd let it dissolve. Do not spit. Swalow all of the medicine. U will have some cravings, but no withdrawls. This will last 24-36 hours, trust me. The next morning, do the same thing. Maybe even try less. U want to get off and done with the suboxone as quick as possible, or u will get hooked on it. After 4-5 days, dont take anything. See how u feel. Remember, a craving isnt a wd, although it can feel like it. Dont drink booze! I know you think it will take the edge off, it wony. It will make ur cravings go thru the roof.

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