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lynn Says:
I found Subutex in my daughter's room with a needle. Do people really IV this? Why do people take it that dont need it?
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BigD Says:
Bob, you can take subutex as early as you want. You cantake it and do a opiate 10mins later or vice versa.. It was suboxones big brother which they refined necause of this fact.
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Nathan Barham Says:
Suboxone is now used in severe pain or chronic pain management. I have had a hip and a knee replace and have arthritis. I was eating pain pills during my two replacments and had gotten to the point where I was taking them more for effect than for pain. I have been on Suboxone (generic Subutex) for 4 years now and it has made a huge difference in my quaility of life. It taken as prescribed, it is a wonderful drug. I know of others that are using it for pain managment and it has truly helped them as well. I had a son that died of an accidental drug overdose. He was using fentynal patches and taking percocet. It killed him.
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Interlineal Peruser Says:
"People are not accustomed to thinking hard, and are often content to trust a plausible judgment that comes to mind". - Daniel Kahneman
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jonathan Says:
It all depends on the person who wants to get off pills or herion.I have been on it for 4 years and it works u just want to get off the drugs it all in your head i was on drugs for 15 years and i got off everything.If i can do it anyone can because i used a needle for years.you have to get it off your mind
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Cb Says:
This is strange but guess everyone is diff I just did 4 perc thirtys today and was doing subutex in between so why Im I not wd since everyone says u do
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Ralph Says:
OMG run as far away as you can from ANY methadone treatment, ive been on heroin, pain pills, ect ect, then on methadone, subutex, suboxone, it is just more of the same and is a complete nightmare!!!! my attempt to get of subox and methadone has been MUCH more difficult than the original addiction, i know a lot of people will argue this but deal with 5-40 days of misery NOW!! and be done with it, rather than YEARS of methadone
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pain in the wrist Says:
And THANK YOU Jason Page for your comment! You are professionally in the pharmaceutical line of things. So you can do nothing more than state facts about these two medications. And as u said a lot of addicts are misinformed. Although, not all are. But as you said its NOT the Bup that causes the withdrawals, its the naloxone. And suboxone has it, but subutex doesn't.
Either way, my point is, is that if you don't want to keep taking/doing opiates. And you are terrified of the withdrawals, please ask/research/find out about this medications that were made to HELP you get clean. That's what they are here for. That's why they were even made. A Just because you are/were an addict, doesn't mean you can't straighten out your life and go back to school. Be someone. And ENJOY your life! GOODLUCK TO EVERYONE! :-D
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pain in the wrist Says:
Thank you for being such an ass BeenThereDoneThat. I HAVE gone to my doctor, and he HAS prescribed and explained to me what the difference and what outcome I will get by taking subutex over suboxone. Although you may think I'm an airhead, I am far from it. I honestly think that subutex is a godsend. And I explained to my doctor exactly what I said on here.
He then explained to me that there are slight differences between suboxone and subutex.
For instance, if taking suboxone while still having opiates in your system, it WILL cause you to have the worst withdrawals or dopesickness EVER (or atleast you'll feel that way) And if you take subutex while having opiates in your system, although it is NOT RECOMMENDED, it "usually" will not cause you to get sick.
But, it can in some people. Just like any other medication.
As for me saying that I don't care where you get them, this is true. If you are wanting to be done with opiates, then use something to help you get off of them! Whether u get them from your doctor like a good little citizen, or you get them from a friend (remember not all people speaking on this forum are doing things legally). I'm hoping that if they take them and see that they can be clean and sober again that they will go to a subutex clinic and continue on their journey of being clean. All it takes is that first step. And it is always the hardest to take.
People are coming onto this forum to speak about their addictions, whatever they may be. Who are u to bring negativity and criticism on here to someone you don't know?? And to say something about my kids? Or my career? Just because it isn't a choice or decision that you, yourself would make, that makes it wrong? IN MYPINION, if someone asks a question that I know something about first hand. I'm going to give them my experiences. I can't do anything more than that. And I won't self proclaim I'm a doctor. Nor a nurse. And I'm most definitely not god. Nor will I act like it.
But on top of that, what if I was severely depressed and suicidal because of not wanting to take my PRESCRIBED medication anymore? And because of what you said, I killed myself?
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Jason Page Says:
First of all who just wrote that it is the bup that causes withdrawal and not the naloxne is not to bright I am a pharmacist and the naloxne is an opiate antagonist which they put in there so you cant abuse the medication and also it blocks the receptors from accepting any other opiates if you have question don't listen to people who dont know what they are talking about do real research addicts give a lot of the wrong information not all of them but a lot of them. And oh yeah I was a heroin addict for a large of my life as well as methadone as well as crack as well as benzos.
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Interlineal Peruser Says:
Whilst I've not read each and every other reply to the most important of your two questions, from the few replies that I have read it doesn't seem likely that your second question[the most important one] will be adequately addressed, so, in response to your question of: " Why do people take it that don't need it?", which is I believe the crux of the whole matter concerning your daughter's [et al.] decidely dabbling in drugs, the simple answer lies complicit with another very basic rhetorical question, being: "Why did Mohammed go to the mountain?" A simple answer can be accepted as: "Because it[the drug, just like the mountain] is there!" Why does anyone consciously take anything, like a big breath of fresh icy-cold air, for example? They are only able to do so because it[the freezing fresh air] is there, and they know it's there, so they consciously decide to fill their lungs and enjoy the thrill of the fill...instead of the perilous pill! It's simply a matter of cho_'ice' of hab_it'erative! Some folk simply deem that they're unable to break from a tragically trafficked tradition.
It's exactly the same situation with myriad folk who fall foul to the perils of imbibing too much alcohol: "The man/woman first takes a drink, the drink then takes a drink, and then the drink takes the man/woman!" We must be ever-mindful in all of this of the veritably indisputable fact that the drink[or drug] never took the "first"[read as: "thirst"] step!
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devany Says:
Shooting suboxone up with a needle is VERY dangerous! People do it to get a euphoric high feeling. Shooting it up will make you go through withdrawl from it AS SOON AS the effects wear off. I would get her help as soon as you can. Anyone who takes it without a prescription will get addicted very fast.
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BeenThereDoneThat Says:
Dear PainInTheWrist --
Suggesting the people just jump from something such as prescribed pain medications to subutex and that you "don't care where they get them from, you are sure the withdrawl is going to be NOTHING like an opiate withdrawl..." is kinda like saying "I'm an airhead hairdresser that has NO CLUE what she is talking about." First of all, your withdrawl from the Subutex, unless medically supervised and tapered correctly, will be 10 times worse than any of the little pills you were complaining about getting from your doctor. The pills from your doctor have a half life of 6-8 hours, whereas the Subutex you're popping from your friend, or obtaining off the street have a half life of 24-36 hours. That directly corresponds to the length and severity of the abrupt withdrawl that you will have to go through when you are arrested for purchasing a controlled substance ILLEGALLY, and sitting in jail while your 3 children are processed into the system for everyone else to take care of. If you want to take subutex, go to a doctor, and get a prescription, and before you get that prescription, let the doctor explain to you things like the differences in the length of a drug's half-life and it's effect on length of and severity of that drug's withdrawl symptoms, because believe me withdrawl from some pain pills, is a walk in the park on a sunny hippy's day compared with the withdrawl from improper use of Subutex. And one other thing, ask the Dr. to respectfully show you which way is up while he is at it.
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BeenThereDoneThat Says:
It doesn't matter which one your going to take. Subutex or Suboxone, the naloxone makes NO difference in causing withdrawls. If you do not wait until you are IN the beginning stages of withdrawl, and you take either Subutex or Suboxone you WILL send yourself into instant withdrawl. The Buprenorphine is what causes this. The Naloxone in Suboxone simply is there so that if you are ON a large dose of active opiates, and you take a Suboxone, you don't accidentally kill yourself from respiratory failure, as might happen if you took a bunch of opiates and then a subutex, and also helps to deter IV usage of the pills. SO, in conclusion, make sure you are IN as much withdrawl as you can possibly take before taking your subutex/suboxone, because if you don't, you will learn a totally new definition of pain.
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Justin Says:
Yes this is true. I tend to use once or twice a week. The days im not using i am using Subutex. I never have any withdrawls what so ever. I have been doing it this way for over 7 years now. My using these days is far and few between. I am starting to learn that being sober is just as much fun as getting High. You just have to be around the right perople. If you surround yourself with knuckle heads those are the results we tend to get. Good luck with your addiction.
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illn Says:
no they will cannot decifer suboxone from subutex unless it is sent to a lab, most clinics or docs that precribe it dont send it to the lab.
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tommy H Says:
no shooting subutex or suboxone will not put you into wds unless you have a different opiate on your receptors (oxy,dilaudid,methadone ect.) it is the bupenorphine in either sub that causes wds. bupe is a strong drug that will rip any other opiate type med off your receptors causing precipitated wds. if you do not have any opiates occupying these receptors than your all set. the naloxone in suboxone is basically a deterent it just prevents you from catching a buzz.
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pasp Says:
Subutex is Buprenorphine without the naloxone? This is intended to be used by pregnant chicks or junkies who are currently using to make the transistion in that there is no naloxone= no withdrawls, respectfully. Listen to what I am saying please, these are important life decisions that should not be made with misinformation!
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Frank Booth Says:
Great to hear it, April. Congrats to yyou for having the strength to get clean and the good luck to find resources that worked out for you.
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