Hydrocodone-acetaminophen 10/325 By Mallinckrodt (Page 3)
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My pharmacy changed my meds from the yellow 10-325 v 3601 norco to the 10-325 white m367 mallinckrodt. I've been taking the yellows for years with no problems. Today I started the whites and feeling dizzy, a little weak, kind of panicky. What is different about the two meds that would cause this?

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Re: Ty Dollar Sign (# 145)

and that is why I am a (almost) hermit. I don't want to be the sarcastic, fatalistic, sour-faced, unhappy hater as I know some people to be. I'm just much more careful who I am kind to. Mostly, old folks like me, small children, and animals. It's hard to trust, let alone love.

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Re: Ty Dollar Sign (# 144)

Same thing happened to me a year or so ago. It was a Riteaid, and oh, twenty pills were gone. I checked for some reason when I got to my car, took them back in, didn't get a dime or pill back. Said I shouldn't have left the store. It was the 'girl' up front at the register. Not much I could do.

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Re: Ty Dollar Sign (# 142)

You said you got your meds changed from hydrocodone to oxycodone and it works much better - but which manufacturer of that oxycodone are you now using. I have also found that percocet/oxycodone is also inferior just like the vicodin because of the manufacturer which is usually mallincroft now at most pharmacies including Walgreens. So please let us know which manufacturer you are using that actually works I'm sure we would all like to know so we can get a bit of relief from our pain.

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Re: Ty Dollar Sign (# 143)

Unfortunately, because of the political climate BOTH democrat and republican, it is extremely difficult to get anyone to help out the chronic pain patients. No “class action” Attorneys Office will even consider a case because of all of the backlash an Attorneys Office would probably have to take. Chronic Pain patients are being grouped in with all of the street drug addicts and thief’s and we are in an awful position right now. The public has been taught that anyone that takes ANY pain medication must be an awful person and they will excoriate anybody that tries to help us.

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Re: madashell (# 131)

From my life experience I have learned that living right, doing everything by the book and being a good person gets you nothing but crapped on. No good deed goes unpunished, every person I ever helped out only crapped on me and when the tables were turned I couldn't even get a hello, how are you? You get more ahead in this world by being a crook.

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Re: ThunderHeart (# 133)

Wow, empty capsules! See, someone on the inside is getting their hands on them, OR someone at the pharmacy. I used to get prescribed 30 mg. oxycodone years ago and one time after I picked up my rx. I thought it looked light so I counted them, 20 short!! The pharmacist took them! I called immediately and he never asked me anything, just told me to come right back up and he'd have them ready! SMDH, unbelievable! I could have called their corporate office and his ass would have been fired on the spot! It was a Walgreens! People, count your pills!

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Re: cliff j (# 139)

Cliff, I agree, that law needs to be null and void stat! We need a show like Dateline or 20/20 to get involved/investigate. They would then advertise for the participants, like find patients that actually get the pills prescribed and then follow them from the point of pick up at their pharmacy to the lab. This is the only way as it would be too difficult for us lay people to do it.

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Re: ThunderHeart (# 119)

Same here, that stuff is pure trash! I have written to the company and the FDA. I've been on this medication for 5 years, I take 3 to 4 per day and the yellow Watson always helped my pain and I never had any side effects. This crap is the only thing on the market and it's all I've gotten in the past year and a half and I now have gotten non stop ringing in my ears, like crickets singing and I can barely move and scream in pain sometimes. This stuff is absolutely worthless. I finally, after 5 years, got my doctor to change mine to oxycodone and it works so much better! I'm afraid the ringing in my ears is permanent, it never ever goes away. I seriously believe they are only putting about 2 to 3 mgs. in each 10 mg. pill. I believe someone within their mfg. facility is gouging the codeine or whatever the active ingredient is. They must have some lax practices is all I can say because something is definitely going on. I am sure that stuff would be big money on the black market or on the streets, someone, if they are doing this could easily make themselves a millionaire. Either they're gouging the main ingredient or they're switching the good pills out with blanks, they can easily be made to look exactly like the authentic ones. All one would need is one of those pill presses and someone with a machine shop or access to one could easily make one with the same imprint, very easy. I used to own a CNC machine shop and engraving that imprint on a pill press would be nothing. I, myself, have read hundreds of messages on these boards with people all saying the same damn thing that we are about this brand, Mallinckrodt. How can we all be wrong? Answer: WE CAN'T. Someone please, if you know someone who works in a lab or is a scientist, please get these pills analyzed! I hope someone investigates this company and it comes out all over the news. We will all have a class-action lawsuit against them for the serious pain and suffering they've caused. Disclaimer: This message is just an opinion by the writer.

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Re: ThunderHeart (# 120)

Because no one gives a flying you know what, that's why! Nothing is at it seems anymore, there is absolute corruption everywhere and there's no policing it, no accountability. There is so much corruption in government, in every city, charities - one of my biggest pet peeves are these huge charities, like the Red Cross, they take in billions of freaking dollars and what do they do in disasters? They show up and give you a blanket, toothbrush and a bottle of water. People who lose their homes in fires are put up in a motel for maybe a week. Where does all the money go?? It goes right into the pockets of the administrators of these charities, your money is going to provide them with their lavish lifestyles, do not be fooled. Where does the millions go that the government gives to cities to help the homeless??? NO one knows, NO accountability whatsoever and the money is GONE. It is being used to keep these corrupt bast**ds living in luxury. You're an absolute fool if you think the FDA is actually monitoring and inspecting your medications, not happening, they do NOTHING but collect their huge paychecks. Donations given to the Salvation Army are being sifted through by peons with a list, anything with a label, any piece of gold is put up on Ebay so they can make more money than what they would in their stores. I thought the S.A. was a place to shop for lower income people, they have NO right whatsoever to be putting the donations on a G.D. auction site. You go into those stores now and you'll see what I mean, you will not find one item of quality. Someone is getting filthy rich off of this B.S. too. I have been prescribed Norco for 5 yrs., same qty. same dose, used to get nothing but the yellow Watson and they helped my pain somewhat, took the edge off. Now, there is nothing out there except this complete trash made by Mallinckrodt. I seriously just as soon suffer than take that crap. It does absolutely nothing for my pain, I've even taken 4 at one time and nothing, still terrible pain and still could barely move. If we could have some kind of in home test kit to analyze what is really in this crap maybe we could do something. We should all be able to sue when it's confirmed of what is really in them and the lack of any authentic pain medication in them. We could all sue the company and the government/FDA for allowing this, they are negligent in protecting us from this crap that they allowed on the market.

They are negligent in ignoring our complaints about this medication. I know I have complained to them as well as many, many others. Well, sorry for the rambling rant, all. We'll keep fighting it's all we can really do, keep complaining to the FDA, maybe to our state representatives as well. I'm so sick of all of it, the CDC and their lies and then the MSM putting it out there that opiates are causing all these O.D.s, when the truth is these people had many, many drugs in their systems when they died. These people O.D.'ing are nothing but junkies chasing highs. Also, this is so laughable to me, putting it out there that you can get addicted after a five day prescription!!! Such utter B.S. I had to be on Hydrocodone for 10 days after childbirth, had to be cut and had 37 stitches, forceps and the whole nine yards, should have had a C section but I had a real ***** Ob/Gyn. wouldn't give me the epidural until I was dilated to a 9, he was a prick who was in a hurry to leave. Anyway, 10 days on hydro and when I stopped them I did feel like a truck ran over me but I did NOT seek to get more and was NOT addicted. That was 26 years ago and I actually would refuse pain meds. after dental procedures because I had a relative who was actually addicted to them. Only after I became disabled did I finally have to give in and go to a doctor for my severe pain. I worked for 25 yrs with severe pain, I fought it and fought hard. But the thing is, nowadays when you go to the dentist and have an extraction they will not even give you anything, you're told to take tylenol, this is torture in my opinion, absolute torture. I had an extraction one time and the dentist could NOT get the tooth out, it was a Fri. she called the oral surgeon in town and he was out of town so I had to go the whole weekend with a half pulled tooth that was pried on and everything else. I did not even get the rx filled when I went home. About an hour later I was screaming in pain, felt like someone punched the whole side of my face and jaw as hard as they could! I had my then-husband go get the rx. and told him to hurry as fast as he could! I'm telling you, that was the worst pain I've ever experienced in my life, childbirth was w/o an epidural was not as bad as that pain. These bast**ds ought to be prosecuted for not giving pain medication after dental procedures like this.

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Re: ThunderHeart (# 124)

Someone needs to create an at-home evaluation where we can analyze our medications. I have been damaged beyond repair from these drugs. My ears started ringing about 6 mos. ago, like crickets singing non-stop. If we had an in-home diagnostic we'd know we're not crazy, this stuff is pure junk. People don't get it, most every facet of big business and government is corrupt. Wake up, we're effed!

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Re: Ty Dollar Sign (# 136)

Getting the pills from the different manufacturers analyzed is the real rub. First, it is expensive. Trying to get someone to pay for all of this “analyzing” is just one of the rubs. To get an accurate picture one would have to get one of every pill, like hydrocodone, for example analyzed. If one wanted to find out what the breakdown is on any manufacturer like Amneal, one would need to have a 5 mg, 7.5 mg, and a 10 mg analyzed. Who would donate the pills? Then you would need to do the same thing for Mallinckrodt and any other manufacturers to get an accurate analysis. It would be important to get pills that were actually served to a retail customer. If the manufacturer donated any of the pills they could easily donate product specially manufactured for the test. If one was to do more than one manufacturer at least one could argue that it is an accurate sample. This is a big mess. For me, personally, Mallinckrodt is better than the Amneal product but they are all crap as far as that goes. With the precise manufacturing equipment available, it is incredible that a 1984 law is still allowed to stand giving the manufacturers the approval to only put in 80% of the active ingredient. As far as I am concerned when you say 7.5 mg of hydrocodone. That is what should be in the pill. NOT 6 mg as allowed by this archaic law.

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Re: Cliff J (# 130)

The drugs that are being made in India are really not being monitored by the DEA or FDA because every time they go back there to look at the facility, the facility has moved and usually to another location over and over again to where they really can't be monitored. There is a book out about this I will have to try and remember the title and author but it is saying we the consumers are being deceived into believing our drugs are being made pure and not in violation that is totally wrong. They put cat litter, glass, powder, salt in all of these narcotics now that come from India.

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Re: Melody (# 116)

That's the brand I take by Lupin and they work fine! When I was taking the mauve colored one's they made me sick but I'm assuming that was the red dye I'm allergic to!

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Re: cliff j (# 132)

I had had it with that damn worthless Mallickrodt hydrocodone so I even changed pharmacies AND had my doctor put "Name brand ONLY, NORCO. Well, I was told that they'd have to order them and it would take 7 to 8 mos. and that is IF they could get them. There is something going on with this crap, w/o a doubt. The yellow Watson's actually were genuine pills, they took care of the pain, the Mallinckrodt and the Aneal are pure effing crap. I believe someone is changing out the real ones with blanks at the point of manufacture or distribution or stealing the codeine or whatever it is in them and only putting like 1% in the pills. I've complained to the mfr. itself and also to the FDA, so I don't know if they're investigating it or not. What we need to do is have someone who has access to or knows someone who works in a lab, analyze this junk. Hundreds of people on this thread cannot be wrong. We all used to get nothing but the yellow Watsons then suddenly after all this fake made up opioid epidemic they are no longer available and the ONLY ones that seem to be everywhere are the damn Mallickrodt junk. After 5 years of the hydrocodone I had my doctor change to oxycodone w/ 325 acptmn. and low and behold I am getting this junk by Aneal, it seems SO weak. Something is definitely going on.

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Re: Cliff J (# 130)

It is Cliff. I looked it up. India is a cell pool.

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Re: lisa (# 129)

As we know what might work for one person, doesn't for another. There is NOTHING out there that is good. It's all s***. The one that caused me the least complications is Mallinckrodt. Ive seen other people here saying its crap, and it is, but it gives me the least side effects. Amneal is the WORST for pain relief (norco), alprazolam (xanax) and gabapentin. ALL ARE S*** MADE BY AMNEAL!! Ive experienced horrible side effects, no pain relief and empty capsules. Now I know why Ive had horrible days. I take this medication every day but if there is no medication in the capsule it has really messed me up. Im going to be squeezing them from now on. AS FAR AS MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, all generics are s*** from Amneal. And its through personal experience. Walgreens dispenses this crap. Ive had capsule progesterone capsules that leaked. Safeway has the best quality but not the best made generics.

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Re: Cliff J (# 130)

It is Amneal. I just found an empty capsule. Now I know why I'm riding such a roller coaster if I'm not getting the same dosage every day!!

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Re: madashell (# 131)
The reason a Chronic Pain patient should say to the Pharmacist is:" I am willing to pay for the name brand because the generics have been reformulated to the point that they are almost totally ineffective. I want to have the name brand because it is my understanding that they have not been reformulated and are consistent in quality". It is important to talk to your Doctor FIRST and make sure they are onboard and check off the box that says "no substitutions" on your script. Pharmacists should NOT ever get involved in your treatment plan but they do because they have been allowed to do it. Pharmacists DO have a medical background but it is in knowing which medicines are not made to mix with other medications. Even then they can be wrong if they would just ASK: How are these two pills being taken? They may learn something. Pharmacists do not FIRST OF ALL have your permission to discuss your treatment plan with your Doctor. Yes, if they see a combination they question they can ask about that but thats all. They do not have your medical records, they are not trained to examine you and they surely cannot write any scripts. However, Pharmacists are getting more and more involved in your treatment plan and they are not trained to do that. They are mainly trained to fill legitimate scripts. Pharmacists have entered into an area that, even though they have been allowed to get away with it, they are not supposed to enter into.

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Re: Melody (# 123)

When I 'shopped' for non generic, name brand vicodin, I was grilled by the pharmacies about why I wanted them, etc. Just like you said, Melody. Why the hell do they think I want them? I am willing to pay, have a legal, Dr.'s script, so what gives these pharmacies the right to interrogate? I have not violated any law, doctor shopped, etc., yet I feel dirty after these conversations. Oh, and I never was able to find a pharmacy here in good 'ol California to fill the script. Mallingcrap Vicodin is garbage, yes, but I am unable to find an alternative.

'They'll' take the Norco/Vicodin away one way or another-if we provide valid scripts 'they' can't do much. But 'they' sure can control the quality. I, and you, are paying a high price for someone's addiction. I'm accountable for my actions, worked hard to live a good life, and this is my payback for doing the right thing? For being a good person? The DEA controls all aspects of narcotic production, I've read on more than one website. How many per month a manufacturer can produce, etc. Since DEA can't get a handle on the drug causing oh, so many deaths, (they'd like you to believe) and it makes them look bad to the money lenders for their budget, then why not screw with the quality. Check out the DEA's website and how they control the drug manufacturing. Tedious reading. What else have you got to do? If we were united, stood up and raised the alarm, we'd probably see some advances to our issues and causes. I think we are too diversified. I think as the aging poplulation we are, they just want us to go away, we're sucking good air.

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Re: ThunderHeart (# 128)
I am not sure that the medication in question are being manufactured in India. Maybe the company’s main headquarters is located in India. Even if they are made in India the FDA should be monitoring what they do BEFORE they send anything here. Who knows if ANY agency is doing their job when it comes to pain meds.

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