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lynn Says:
I found Subutex in my daughter's room with a needle. Do people really IV this? Why do people take it that dont need it?
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Bob Says:
You WILL go into withdrawals doing any subutex or suboxone to soon after doing any opiate if addicted, your statement made no sense, yeah you can do a subutex, then take a perc and get high, because the subutex has no opiate blocker, but if you take the perc or opiate FIRST, then the subutex will make you go into withdrawals, same as a suboxone would, you have to wait until you actually are withdrawing for these subs to work.
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anonymous user Says:
Being that everyone ended up switching the subject and making it about the withdrawl effect of suboxone/subutex, i might as well add my 2 cents about that part. I have been a drug addict for 3yrs now and even though it may not seem very long, it feels like ive been to hell and back with this addiction. Especially being only 21 years old and almost losing everything. Fortunately, we have medicine like subutex and suboxone to atleast take the edge off so we can recover from these terrible habits, but yes.. if u take an opiate and then take suboxone, u will be sicker then a dog. ive done it and felt like i was literally going to die. Only before you take the suboxone though. if you take suboxone and then take an opiate, you just wont get high no matter how hard u try.. But with subutex, i can take an opiate right after doing it if i really wanted and be fine AND get high. So thats bulls*** that subutex kicks u into withdrawls, but if ur taking subutex you should really use it to get clean, not just as a crutch to hold you over til your next fix (as i do) . addiction is a terrible thing so if you found a needle and a subutex in your daughters room, she already has the habit and does NEED the subutex. From my opinion, no one without an addiction would be sticking a needle in there arm and i dont judge or look down on any one for doing it.. but its the addiction that brings you to that point. Most people dont try heroin by shooting it... they sniff it then once there habit gets bad, they move to bigger and better(worse) things. but sincerely, be there for your daughter, dont put her down and make her feel like a junky because the guilt she carries with her everyday because of this habit is probably way worse then you could imagine. she carries the weight of the world on her sholders everyday and im sure this isnt something she enjoys. i hope she recovers and wish the best of luck to your family.
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Lola Says:
Jenn(Jan.2012)& others are completely wrong about suboxone/subutex. Between Jenn's supposed experience(doubtful)&various incorrect "opinions" here, if someone naive to the effects of subutex &/or suboxone were to believe Jenn & certain others on this site it could cause someone to suffer terribly, it would be absolutely nightmarish. Above all else, when unfamiliar with a drug, research,research,research. And consider the sources naturally. Finally, while both suboxone & subutex are used to treat all kinds of opiate addictions incl. heroin, you do have to be in moderate to severe withdrawal to take suboxone(you can search on the internet to find what is known as COWS-clinical opiate withdrawal scale, the scale is all over the web & will give anyone who looks at it & matches up their own withdrawal symptoms a pretty precise & SAFE gage of where they are in their withdrawal as well as the CORRECT time to take the suboxone or subutex)while you only have to be in mild to moderate withdrawal to take subutex(due to the fact narcan is not added to subutex only suboxone but this is neither here nor there). Suboxone & subutex are similiar, they are chemical brothers & they both work much the same way, the only difference being what I just outlined above(mild to moderate withdrawals symptoms=subutex, moderate to severe withdrawal symptoms=suboxone). But please remember above all else, no matter what ignorance you may hear otherwise(my father is a doctor who specializes in addiction)IF you are addicted to opiates & want to detox with one of the subs then NEVER, EVER take either one a few minutes, a few hours, or even 7 hours after your last vicodin,oxy,heroin etc. The bupe in both subs WILL cause what is known as precipitated withdrawal. There's a common belief out there right now that only suboxone(due to its extra ingredient of narcan)can cause so called precipitated withdrawal.100% FALSE.I dont want to get into any of a lengthier discussion as to why it is the bupe in both that will cause precipitated withdrawal,while the narcan in suboxone will make it worse(thus why you must wait longer with the suboxone)but suffice to say you simply must wait until you are in withdrawal to take either or you will be very,very sorry indeed. Precipitated withdrawal in this case,simply put, is when you take either sub before youre in sufficient withdrawal,it will displace some opiod receptors without activating the receptors enough to where it could help & instead "hurts". In layman's terms, either subs taken any earlier then 12 to 24 hours after your last opiate will throw your body into having hideous, horrifc withdrawals. So please, do yourself a favor,take the COWS scale 12 to 24 hours out(after your last pill,shot,etc)gage where you are & depending on whether you are taking subutex or suboxone, you may then proceed without fear, knowing if you want it that this could be the first day of the rest of your life living life without being a slave to opiates.
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joe l Says:
Umm no it all depends who you get the subutex from, they sell for 40 around my way.
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Shannon Says:
My difficult time is laying in bed. To get off subs im gonna try benadryl to help with the sleep. I know it aint right to keep substituting, but if i can just fall asleep i can deal with the daily stuff. Luckily i work 72 hours a week so i can stay busy. A big thing that helps is to do push ups and pull ups to release some endorphins before laying down. Try it you will see.
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Ryan pm Says:
How long before I can stop that I just don't want to kick from subs wanna get back in my meeting sober and on track made it 6I months than this happend
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Shannon Says:
You should be able to get by 1mg 3 hours before bed.
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Ryan pm Says:
I got some on the street to keep me out pf dt from opiates my rabbit picked back up where I left off so I hoped on them for now 8in days and wanna stop just don't know if I should expect withdrawal from the subs
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Shannon Says:
If you were on opiates for only a few weeks i dont see any reason to be on subz. Yes they are more addictive and have worse withdrawls but they are 6x cheaper. I take 2 mgs to sleep. I was taking 30 mgs x 6 for 11a years. $180 aday to $5 aday.
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Ryan pm Says:
Can you help me with a question please I relapsed and got back on opiates I was on the for about 2it weeks I haven now been on subutex 8 days im weaning myself down tomorrow will be 2mg3 twice than the next day 2mgI once and try to go longer without taking my last 2mg will I withdrawal off of the subutex
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Ryan pm Says:
Hello I have a question I was on opiates for about two weeks ans have now taken subutex for 8you days I am weaning myself down to 2mg twice a day for one more day than 2mgI once a day for 2 or 3you days will I have withdrawals off of the subutex I have herd horrible stories from withdrawaling from these please help very scared
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tgirl Says:
because if you are not a opiate junkie..;.they will make you high....
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Truth 4 U Says:
Scott B. This is a site for posting drug use! Being grammatically correct and perfectly affluent in typing or spelling bears ZERO regard. She got her point across so why be a dick?.... maybe you need some drugs, because the portrayal of your overall complete knowledge and perfect grammar and linguistics only make you out to be a prick. If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say it at all. There is a penny for your thoughts, I wouldn't give you even that ........
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Shannon Says:
Wish i read your post before quitting. Been doin percs for 11 years. Was doin 6 to 8the 30's aday. What started for severe back neck problem. I tried to quit to quick. Starting at a quarter sub for two days before bed to calm my legs. Then to an eighth. Way to quick. On day 12 tried to go without. Did alot of situps and push ups to release endorphans to be able to sleep. Got more subs and will have to try another week.
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Paul Says:
Yes u can shoot it. It gives u an all day energy boost. But its HIGHLY ADDICTAVE. She will get a habit if she doesnt have one already. Then she'll be dependant on it.
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Paul Says:
Good info steve. Drives me crazy when non addicts post s*** they know nothing about. they get their info from loved ones or whoever it may be that is an addict in their life. What ppl should keep in mind is that when I myself am in active addiction, pretty much everything that comes out of my mouth is bulls***. So please ladies and gents, ifyour going to post something you know nothinh about or have no experience with, research it
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Paul Says:
To add to my reply you dont get cotton fever from injecting a peice of cotton. You get it from a bacteria build up in the cotton. Its almost impossible to draw up a peice of cotton and by chance it happens it clogs the needle and makes it impossible to use. The chances of actually injecting yourself with cotton are ZERO
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Paul Says:
Ok. If your gonna tell someones family what their child is doing make sure you have your facts right. Subutex sells for 10 each. Maybe your husband tells you 35 cause hes buying 3 not 1. And you dont get hospital sick from cotton fever and you cant die from it. It lasts 30 to 60 min. You get cold and shake a little bit. Not tryin to be rude but being an addict myself and knowing first hand, I know it sucks when family is misinformed. It sux their daughter is an addict but it wud be a little extreme for them to have to lock up the Qtips cause they think child is gonna die from cotton fever
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tink Says:
WHITE ROUND PILL WITH 54 411 ON ONE SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE IS PLAIN, NO SPLIT NOTHING ON BACK.....PEOPLE TAKE THEM FOR A MASSIVE ENERGY RUSH AND THEIR VERY AVAILABLE AND VERY ADDICTIVE. FIND HER HELP
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