Suboxone To Heroin

ive been on one 8mg suboxone for a month now and took my last dose today at 8 30am and was wonderin if i would feel my heroin tom afternoon around 6pm..thats about 30 hours...and if not how long...im about 5'7 150lbs very fast metabolism n drinkin alot of water..let me know please thank you

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24 hours at least or u will feel nothing!

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I've been on Suboxone 8.2 twice a day for 3 days, what is the best way to get back off, they are doing weird things to my thinking and everything. I'm not going to be able to take them, they helped the pain so very much though.

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Not true took a half at 7am TODAY another at 12pm TODAY and then took another half at 4pm TODAY NOW 17HRS AFTER MY FIRST HALF (MORE SPECIFICALLY 11:55pm SAME DAY!!!!!!) I've just injected 1 bag of Die Hard brand dope (smack, brown boy, caca,) whatever you call it in your small town USA. Now I am not bragging or trying to influence anybody to go and get on actually just the opposite LEARN EVERY SINGLE THING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT SUBOXONE RIGHT NOW! When I was younger they called me to see if the pills they had would get em bent because at the age of 12 my to smart for my own good ass bought the prescription medication guide with color pictures in the center of the book. Why? Because I've always been a hustler and a drug user and knew that the knowledge in that book was profitable and personally beneficial my goal of an altered state of mind. As the years have went on there have been numerous updates and numerous new drugs. On top of the fact that after 10 years a drugs patent is up and therefore can be reproduced by another company AKA generic. Now this can be beneficial or negative depending on the type of drug and the company who is reproducing it. For instance 512 generic percocets are not good for the treatment of pain nor are they good for the use of getting high. They are garbage and unlike other perc 5mg pills sell 2 for $5 instead of $5 a piece. Now the other end of the spectrum you have a 5mg generic percocet that is an excellent pain killer and fabulous for a euphoric feeling and that would be the 54/543 rococets. If you ask anybody who has taken the real 5mg percocet that is blue and has the word percocet with a 5 on it they will tell you the rocs are equal if not better, I say better! Now a 30 tablet script of 512s is $20 and $4 if you go to Walmart (boycott Walmart please they are definition of monopoly and a true abuse of capitalism... Anyway) and the same 30mg script of the blue name brand percocet 5mg tabs is between $110-$140 depending on the area and pharmacy. WOW! WHY SUCH A PRICE DIFFERENCE? ARE YOU JUST SIMPLY BUYING A NAME? NOPE! You are are paying more because of the quality difference! Now how could 5mg of oxycodone in a 512 be weaker the 5mg oxycodone (they call it roxycodone but it's the same s***) in a 54/543? That my friend I don't have the answer to. And if you want to argue that roxycodone is different then oxycodone then I say to you Ok but a 602 endocet is 5mg of oxycodone yet it to is way stronger then a 512 but weaker then a 54/543. Same with alaprozolam AKA Xanax. 1mg blue or purple brand name Xanax football shaped pills are stronger then any generic replica BUT there are 1mg blue alaprozolam generic with a GG imprint that is stronger then any 1mg generic alaprozolam. They have a blue 1mg football shaped pill with a single funny shaped G that is garbage and should actually be a sleeping pill because that's about all it does is make me sleepy. The company that makes the GG 1mg generic also produces a 2mg bar with 4 skores in it that is very similar to the Xanax brand bar minus the Xanax name and a 2 on the opposite side. Now they make a 2mg bar that is green and has 3 skores which is odd because the purpose of the skores is to be able to break it into half milligrams for people who need to... So they know they are getting exactly a half of mg or 1mg or 1.5 mg which now with these green ones is mission impossible! The quality of these green 2mg bars is maybe the equivalent of 1blue 1mg GG. They are horrible and my brother went from taking 2 GG bars a day to taking 4 green bars! Wtf? So I talked to his doc and the pharmacist and they explain it away. I give them the facts he was taking the GGs for 5yrs now all the pharmacys are "GOING GREEN" yes pun very much intended and after 2 days on the greens his anxiety is thru the roof and his dose is doubled wtf? Not to mention the ppl who take them to get high hate em because they don't get em high and barely keep them from getting sick! Now back to suboxone which has basically saved my life cuz nothing else worked. It was released in 2002 and is technically in a governmental study so after this year the patent is up. The FDA only agreed to this being prescribed by a doctor and dispensed from a Pharmacy instead of the way Methodone Maintenance is dispensed in a clinic where you go every day to the clinic to get dosed and all the bulls*** they put you thru where you got 20 year old girls who weight 100lbs soaking wet on 350mgs of meth and most ppl on the clinics couldn't afford to do the equivalent of dope every day anyway. Where the continue to raise your dose even if you don't want to. Where the close at a certain time and make you go to groups all day so it's impossible to work. Where if you pop hot for benzos or fail a breathalizer you don't get dosed that day and they cut your dose in half until they feel you've been punished enough. Where your not allowed to "congrigate" inside so your outside waiting so everybody and their mother can drive by and know who you are and why your there. Where if you Decide you want off they refuse to detox you until they feel your ready. These are adults not children and you are basically a slave.... "liquid cuffs" is what we call it. Where ppl will take benzos to active a dope like high only they are on such a high dose they fall asleep and stop breathing. R.I.P..... Lost many friends in this very way. Or they try and Trump the Methodone with dope to get high and they keep doing more and more unable to achieve the euphoria they seek only to over dose on heroin because just because you don't feel it the heroin still is doing the same thing it would be doing without the Methodone.... It slows your breathing and drops your BP to the point where you fall asleep and your body forgets to breath which makes your heart for get to beat which makes your body forget to be alive.... Lost a lot of gd people this very way. I walked off 140mg in 06 and started shooting dope and at that time they were cutting it with fentenoyl and alot of people died that summer in Philly. I was homeless and when I tried to seek help I was told to go to my Methodone clinic on the other side of the city... It took for a dealer to kick my head in so bad for robbing him I was in a coma for 5 days with bleeding in my brain and had to learn how to walk all over again... With a f***in CANE! I WAS 23 YEARS OLD! 45 days I was in the hospital and I thank God for it because I would be dead by now. Getting my head kicked in saved my life! So in order to keep suboxone treatment to be discreet and lower the potential for abuse they took a Subutex aka bupe and mixed it with 2mg of nalaxone aka narcon to 8mg of the bupe and WHALAA Suboxone. The reason it is administered sublingual is 1.them big fat veins under your tongue sucks the bupe right in 2.by melting it under your tongue almost none of the nalaxone is absorbed so you get the medicine and in an appropriate way. I heard of ppl snorting it or swallowing it but I've never done it any other way then under my tongue and it's always worked! Any other way is suppose to allow your body to absorb all of the nalaxone on top of the bupe which is suppose to send the idiot into withdraw which he absolutely deserves! Don't mess with something you know nothing about! In Europe before suboxone or Subutex was even released here they had a huge problem with ppl abusing straight bupe. Injecting it and so on. Now if you know anything about it at all you would know it is a partial antagonist and nalaxone is a full antagonist. Partials have a ceiling which basically is the reason I've never needed more then 1 a day anymore is a waste and a reason why I don't see the need for a doctor to prescribe 3 a day. That's why there is an abundance of them in Philly... Because 1 will keep you well all day so everybody has 60 they can sell if they don't sell 85 of em and just keep 5 for the end of the month to have it in their system for the doc. Now this doctor like any other doctor who is licensed by the government is only allowed to have 100 suboxone clients at any 1 time. On top of that he is suppose to monitor each patient closely, blood and urine tests, and if he suspects for any reason you may not be staying clean to call you anytime to come in and piss and give blood. The reason you have to pay 100-400 every month to see him/her is because the had to pay thousands of dollars and basically go to school to get a license to prescribe them, so for that very reason the will not take insurance to cover the visit because they can charge whatever they want no limit and there is no way an insurance company will pay $400 every month for a doctor visit especially when most of em aren't specialist just family doctors lol. There are no refills on suboxone you MUST obtain a new prescription every month. Now 100 patients is decent money but for some not enough so they team up and have some little ass offices with like 10 doctors and all they do is suboxone and "pain management" AKA WE ARE STRICTLY A PILL MILL WE ONLY CARE ABOUT MAXIMIZING OUR PROFIT AND NOTHING ABOUT YOU OR HOW WE ARE TURNING SO MANY PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE NEVER EVEN SMOKED WEED INTO HARDCORE JUNKIES AND WHEN YOU LOSE EVERYTHING YOU CAN GET ON WELFARE BECAUSE WE WILL FILL OUT THE MEDICAL ASSEMENT FORM FOR YOU FOR FREE AS LONG AS YOU SIGN A FORM SAYING ONE OF US WILL BE YOUR PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN AND WE CAN HAVE THE TAXPAYERS PICK UP THE BILL FOR THE SUBOXONE THAT YOU NEED TO GET OFF OF THE 280 OXY INSTANT RELEASE AKA PERC 30S THAT WE PRESCRIBED YOU FOR YOUR SPRAINED WRIST AND WHEN SWOLLOWING WORKING YOU STARTED SNORTING THEM UNTIL THAT WANT WORKING ANYMORE AND ONE OF MY HIGHEST GROSSING PATIENTS SHOWED YOU HOW TO GET THE MEDICINE INTO YOUR BLOOD STREAM MORE EFFICIENTLY AND FASTER WITH A NEEDLE WHICH WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL OF HIM IF YOU ASK ME! BUT DONT EVEN WORRY ABOUT THE HEPATITIS C HE GAVE YOU FROM THE NEEDLE HE TOLD YOU WAS NEW BUT WASNT BECAUSE ONLY %85 OF PEOPLE WHO CONTRACT THE VIRUS DIE FROM IT AND I GOT A GOOD FEELING YOUR IN THAT %15 THAT WONT. I MEAN ITS NO BIGGIE THAT YOUR ONLY SON NEEDS A KIDNEY FROM THAT CAR ACCIDENT THAT DESTROYED BOTH OF HIS AND YOU ARE A PERFECT MATCH... WELL EXCEPT FOR THAT LITTLE DIEASE THAT YOUR GONA BEAT ANYWAY AND THAT THEY WOULD NEVER PUT IN SOMEBODY ELSE NO MSTTER WHAT.... THEY GAVE HIM A WEEK TO GET ONE OR HE DIES BUT YOU KNOW HOW MY EXTRA ORGANS THEY HAVE LAYING AROUND.... NOBODY EVER DIES WAITING FOR AN ORGANS PLUS HES YOUR SON AND YOUR LUCK MIGHT RUB OFF ON HIM.... WOW REMEMBER I TOOK A SUB AND A HALF AND TODAY AND TOOK MY LAST HALF A FEW HRS BEFORE I BANGED THAT BAG RIGHT BEFORE I WROTE THIS BOOK... JUST BE CAREFUL AND DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING SOMEBODY TELLS YOU.... DO YOUR HOMEWORK CUZZ!

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I know this is really late but I just read this post and I never had a prescription for suboxone but been taking it for almost 4 years I get em on the street and can relate to being aware of changes I didn't like and I really noticed it like a few months after I started I just quit for a few weeks and remember having a clear mind and I noticed a big difference especially when I started taking them again then I took em for a few months and stopped and did that for the first few years to where the one time I started doing em again and haven't really stopped.... Sometimes I go like 4 or 5 days sometimes a week and I don't feel great physically during them times but mentally it feels gd and the physical uncomfortability isn't nuttin compared to being dope sick like I hear ppl say it's worse but I don't even get sick sometimes I taper myself to where I take a pill and cut it in 8ths and take an 8th a day for a few months but I usually do it slow like ill go from a whole to 3/4 do that for a week then to a half do that for a week then to a 1/4 for a week then an 1/8 but you know it's like with any drug its about having a strong mind and heart and building confidence in yourself and it sounds corney but keep yourself you can do anything and that will build your self will and with a strong willpower you can do anything you want.... I actually do it just to test my will... Then I'll stop subs and do dope for a month or so and set a date to stop and got back to subs just to keep my willpower strong..... It's nothing but willpower and being strong the weak who want others to do for them are the ones who don't have nuttin and never will.... Survival of the fittest only the strong survive.... Live by that and you will never fail because there is always another way to get what you want done

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I love readin ur posts...u sure kno s lot about this stuff. Im cirious about you. Hit me up. If u want. {edited for privacy}

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You do it to test your will power ? How are you testing your will power by swapping one opiate for another,just because you stopped h an took subutex doesn't make you clean, a real test of your will power would be to stop h an sub's full stop then see how much self will you have,you are powerless over your addiction time to get real an stop being in senile

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So you say you stop because you have will power but the fact you picked it up again shows you have none ....you just thinking you have will power because the drug has tricked you into thinking you have control over it when in fact it controls you,you say you stopped because you stop one (H) and then pick up the other(subutex) both are opiates so you haven't stopped anything your still taking an opiate so your not clean at all you as unclean as it gets your in denile just kidding yourself, You say only the strong survive trying to sound tough but you sound like a fool, you can't stop nothing your swapping one for another and when you do stop you don't stay stopped you can't resist it and you pick up H or sub's again so you have no control no matter how you look at it your an addict like everyone else you just haven't excepted it yet you sound like a fool probely high when you wrote it high on ego too talking like your stronger than everyone else maybe if you stopped an stayed stopped then you can talk like that

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You should be good.

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Took less than1/2 sub at10am now it's1:00 next morning and was offered a small amount of H which I don't do much either(mostly pills). Think it will work??

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