Clonazepam Ingredients Solco Brand Vs Actavis (Page 2)

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I have been taking TEVA clonazepam .5 for years and it was very effective! Now I hear that TEVA does not make it anymore. I was prescribed it via ACCORD mfg with very poor results... headaches, nervous, and more. I hear that the are also SOLCO and AVTIVIS mfg. I need some input re which one would be better... or any others. I heard that the inactive ingredients have a lot to do with it. I also know ACCORD is made in China and have heard some horror stories about their clonozepam. ANY INPUT GREATLY APPRECIATED!!



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ArlisT Says:

Re: suzysurf (# 20)
This is not the first I have read in this thread about Solcor brand not showing up in the blood. I have never read of any other brand having that problem. Many people have different brands that work best for them. For me, I have tried many different brands, but always got the best results with TEVA, until they stopped making their regular clonazepam when they bought Activis and started marketing their brand instead. I had been taking TEVA exclusively for 5 years, then suddenly one day they refilled the scrip with Activis, which proved ineffective for me, and my condition started to deteriorate. Then someone here mentioned that Teva does still make the Orally Dissolving Tablet version of clonazepam. Neither my doctor nor my pharmacist had ever heard of this, but when I told my doctor he wrote me a new prescription for 1 mg TEVA ODT clonazepam, and my pharmacist special ordered it for me. Not all pharmacies will honor a 'dispense as written' order for a generic, or special order them for you, but my local CVS pharmacist was happy to do it. Just ask your doctor to specify it on the prescription, and your pharmacist if he/she will order it for you.

One other thing: someone mentioned that because the ODT version is absorbed through the tongue, it is not as long lasting as the regular tabs, and I think that could be true true - I found myself needing a little extra, so my doctor increase my scrip from 1 mg 2x daily to 3x daily, and that has done the trick.

Back in June this year I called TEVA and a rep there told me that they'd had a lot of complaints, and they were planning on bringing back the regular tablets, hopefully by late Summer. Well that hasn't happened yet and who knows if it will, but in the meantime, if you have had success with Teva before, see if your doctor will write you for these ODT tablets, and if your pharmacist will order them for you. If they won't change pharmacies. it's a hassle, but it's worth it. Who knows, but depending on how many prescriptions you have with them, just the threat of changing pharmacies may change their minds if they refuse to help you.

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suzpat68 Says:
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Re: ArlisT (# 21)

Thank you for the reply and advice. It’s been a really big worry of mine since having a small seizure this spring and around the same time and not showing up in my labs. My labs are only every three months. And I’ve been on this brand for about nine months. So the timing is about right.

I have been going through extra anxiety the last six months. My daughter had anorexia and has PTSD related panic and anxiety. My 40-year-old sister was diagnosed with an on treatable cancer this past year. I fell down the stairs and broke my arm. This year has just been plagued with bad luck. So the stress has been really really up there. But still I was doing OK for the most part. But the fact that it’s not showing up on my labs tells me that this is why you’re part of the reason why am feeling super super anxious all the time. As I’m not really getting any active medication.

I just found it really hard to believe that there could be so little medications that it did not show up in a lab. To me that is mind boggling and a real disservice to the patients that need the medication. I know it is a benzodiazepine and many people are against these medications. But there is a reason for them. They do help people and they do prevent seizures which if you know anything about, any seizure can kill you at any time. There is a thing called sudden death Re: seizures. It is every seizure patients worst fear. They will be left a non-productive citizen that cannot function on their own. So thank you for the information. If you hear anything else please let me know. You’re the first response I have gotten.

I will get back to you when I see my doctor Friday. We’ll see what he says. I am hoping that he will believe me for the reason it not showing up in lab work. But some doctors don’t believe stuff like that. Some do I’ll see which kind this one is.

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Re: ArlisT (# 21)

I went to talk to the pharmacy to find out what brand they carry and show them the script that I have and she told me that there’s no such thing as they’re being an active medication in the Generics. She said there’s another explanation for not showing up in my lab work she said all of the generics are exactly alike. So then I went across the street to CVS and they told me the same exact thing. I was like WTH. I’m not crazy. I know how my labs read and I know that I take them three times a day! So I don’t know if I will have any luck getting anywhere with either the doctors or the pharmacies. Because no one believes me..

These people have their heads in the sand.

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ArlisT Says:

Re: suzpat68 (# 22)
I hope it works out ok. That is sure a lot of stuff going on.

I hope your Dr will help you. You might tell him you belong to an online discussion group about Clonazepam, and print out a copy of my prior reply to you that you can show him.

Let me know how it goes.

Arlis

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Re: Anna (# 2)

Wow reading your story I was cringing inside recalling the same exact thing although mine was with Valium 10 msg.. Walgreens actually got into some sort of national dispute with the manufacturer and I had to transfer it to CVS! I take a great deal of medications chronic things and I’ve been a Walgreens customer for dozens of years and I truly dislike cvs but I had to transfer the Valium because I wasn’t gonna go thru all that again!! It was a nightmare.. I was on very very high dose at the time so I went into seizures requiring an ambulance and a lengthy hospital visit.. the doctors all agreed after running tests; blood work and compared with a very recent previous blood test and it clearly showed the difference in “Inactive Ingredients” of Valium 10mg tablets in my system and I have a myriad of chronic conditions so that’s how they easily figured it out with me but I doubt that the majority of people described these types of medications don’t just happen to have a handy a one week old comprehensive blood panel test results that they could to compare it to blood taken after switching the two manufacturers of the pill into my body like you guys experienced as well.. my sister takes Klonopin and she goes through or went through the same thing that you guys did but luckily she didn’t suffer any she was able to take both but she chose to go find the pharmacy that had the other ones the first ones but maybe that was just in part of her illness who knows right? She’s happy now and hopefully you’re happy now I’m happy now Wallgreens got it back by the way after six months so now I can get everything there again and I hope that everything goes well for you two!!

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ArlisT Says:

Re: suzysurf (# 23)
Pharmacists and many doctors will commonly say that all generics are exactly the same, but there are doctors and pharmacists that know this is just not so. My doctor when I lived in CA and my doctor here since I moved to Indiana told me that is a canned response, but all these generics are definitely NOT the same, and that the different brands definitely affect different people in different ways. Some doctors and pharmacists will admit it and work with you to find which is best for you, but if you are working with a pharmacy that doesn't acknowlege the differences, they may not be willing to get a specified brand for you, and will insist on giving you whichever brand they have in stock. You end up getting the brand changed from time to time, because when they order a new supply they typically get whatever brand is cheapest for them. This was my situation in CA, and I went through a lot of trouble taking my complaint further and further up the 'chain of command' at the pharmacy until I reached someone witht he compassion and authority to order my local branch to provide me the TEVA, and special order it for me so it was always on hand.

I was afraid when I moved to Indiana I would have to go through the same ordeal, but my local CVS apparently had a contract with TEVA, and they always gave me TEVA from the first time I filled my scrip there for almost three yearsall the way up to a few months ago, when TEVA stopped making it, and I got changed first to Accord brand (crap, IMHO), then to Activis (also crap). but when I found out about the Orally Dissolving Tablets, and had my doctor write them for me, the pharmacy happily got them for me. So I am lucky there.

If your pharmacist is telling you there is no such thing as TEVA ODT clonazepam, she is either ignorant, or straight-up lying to you. My doctor had never heard of them, but he quickly found them on line and wrote me the scrip.. The pharmacist had never heard of them, either, but having that prescription from my doctor, she had no choice but to look them up.

If you have a pharmacist who's peddling that 'all generics are identical' line, you'll have to find a more reasonable pharmacist, or if your pharmacy is part of a chain, go to their website, make your complaint to corporate, and try your luck with them.

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suzysurf Says:
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Re: Lori (# 25)

Thanks for the support. I do use a private pharmacy. I need to speak to the head pharmacist then. They told me they got some new Brandon but I didn’t recognize the name and it sounds like it comes from a foreign country so it’s probably garbage. My appointment is this Friday where I have to try to explain to my doctor and hope that he understands why it’s not showing up on my blood work. There’s even some doctors that don’t believe this. Because it’s not showing up in my blood work and my cheek swab to make sure I’m not taking other medications like Xanax or anything like that. So it showing up in neither .

My other prescription meds are showing up. So he just thinks I’m not taking it. The only reason I went to Rite Aid was I was in the store so I brought my prescription up to the counter and asked the lady what brand they carried and told her my situation and she was terrible. She was so mean to me. Saying that all generics are exactly alike and that I just have to tough it out. And that they don’t special order for anything or anyone. I live in New York State, so it’s not like I can call around to Pharmacy‘s. They cannot give Information about controlled substances over the phone. They can tell you if you have an active prescription there at that particular pharmacy. But they can’t tell you if you don’t. So I can’t call every pharmacy in the area and ask them what brand of clonazepam they carry. But I’m a mess. I feel like garbage.

I can however drive all over the Tri-County area and bring my prescription in. But my husband thinks that’s foolish. He thinks it’s a waste of my time. And he thinks that I shouldn’t be on this medication anyway. He thinks I’m on too many medications. He does not believe in medicine. And he actually wrongly believed that it was probably medicine to begin with that caused my seizures. When it wasn’t, it was full-blown eclampsia. That’s when I started having them. And then about six years ago I started getting vertigo and that got worse and worse and worse. I’ve tried taking Valium for that. But they can never seem to get the dosage right where I get any actual relief. Either that or I’m getting Bunk medication. And I’m worried too that if my doctor writes for the orally dissolving or ODT, that they won’t be able to get the dosage right and he’ll insist that the 3 mg mdd ODT a day is the same as 3 mg mdd tablets a day.

Which because they’re so quickly acting I really doubt they are. I’m assuming they don’t last as long in your system. Let me know if you know anything about that, if you know anything about what the doctor should be doing if I’m on 3- 1mg. Tablets a day of clonazepam, would be just switch me to 3 -1 mg. ODT??

It’s just a scary thing. Anyway thank you for replying.

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suzysurf Says:
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Re: ArlisT (# 24)

I will let u know what he says on Friday. I am going to ask for the 1 mg orally disintegrating tablets. Or ODT. However I don’t know if that will be equivalent and dosage to the 1 mg tablets I am supposed to be taking three times a day. I do know they are immediate release so I don’t know if they last as long in your system. Or if they will leave me covered. But I guess anything is better than what I am on since it’s not showing in my labs, it basically means I’m not covered at all. I had what they call missed eclampsia, when I had my second daughter. It was a full moon and 40 babies were born in a little city hospital that weekend. Lots of babies came a few weeks early. So Sophia was born a few weeks early but she was perfectly formed. But I could not keep down food because I had a hyper emesis which is where you vomit throughout the whole pregnancy. So she just wanted to come out and be fed I imagine. But she did come home with me. But my blood pressure at the hospital was 205/105 and I only weighed 108 pounds. They told me to lay on my left side and the next thing you know I’m being discharged. I went home and about 3 weeks after discharge I had my first tonic clonic seizure.

Then I had one once a year for the next few years always the same time and night.

And then I got the Meniere’s disease and vertigo out if the blue. But my father had it so that maybe why. But this is not the first time this is happened. About 6 to 8 years ago they took me off clonazepam because it wasn’t showing up on my blood work so my doctor thought I was selling it. Three months off of the closet pan and only on Vimpat, I had another seizure. So I always need that closet pan for a second seizure medication. My psychiatrist prescribes it. Because it can also be used for anticipatory anxiety and generalized anxiety. Which I have both of due to the medical issues. Now mind you I sound like I’m really sick, but I have a job and I teach school, I’ve raised two beautiful daughters. I have a wonderful husband. I’m not some so sick that I’m strung out on meds.

But I also have to take care of myself. And that means taking my medication as prescribed. And if I have one more seizure, I will lose my license for good. But I will let you know how it goes. Hopefully he will Write a script for the clonazepam ODT. I know my insurance will fill it. Because my daughter was on it. So I know they will fill it. The question is will he write it when he’s thinking I’m not taking it at all. That’s my big concern. But I’ll let you know how it goes thanks for write a script for the clonazepam ODT. I know my insurance will fill it. Because my daughter was on it. So I know they will fill it. The question is will he write it when he’s thinking I’m not taking it at all. That’s my big concern. But I’ll let you know how it goes amd thanks for all the support that I’ve been getting from the community forum. ??

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suzpat68 Says:
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Re: Lori (# 25)

Hey Lori, I thought I would update you.
My doctor switched me to the 1 mg ODT. However it’s a brand I’ve never heard of so I have no idea if this is going to work or not. After being on practically nothing because it wasn’t showing up on my lab work, this feels kind of week but I’m still feeling some thing. So I’m not sure. The brand is Par pharmaceutical. The wafers are extremely tiny. There about half the size of a 1 mg tablets that I used to take. I mean the diameter is less than 1/4 of an inch. And I know they have to put fillers in the orally disintegrating so that way it works. I don’t know if you’ve had any experience with these. Let me know. And I will keep you posted as to if they work.

I was able to fall asleep last night for the first time in a long time. But they really don’t seem to be doing much else. But it could take me a couple days to get back to normal again. Who knows.

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Suzysurf Says:
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Re: suzysurf (# 28)

Arlie, he switched me to the 1 mg ODT. The weird thing is I had a horrible ocular migraine on Friday night. And then picked up my script the next day. Then had a horrible headache for two days. I think the migraine those started because I wasn’t on really any medication. The doctor really didn’t believe me that there’s differences in generics. He said it’s possible. My pharmacy ( I use an Independent family own pharmacy) They believe me. However my insurance will not pay for a dispense as written brand name. Because they said there’s no real proof that there’s differences between generic and brand-name. But usually with epilepsy they will make that exception. That way you’re not switching between different generics. So they really do know deep down but they just don’t want to tell people.

But so far, so good, I’m starting to feel better. The ODT I am on is made by Par pharmaceutical. It’s still not as good as the yellow tablets that I used to take. But it’s much better than the blue ones. Both the Soclo, And my only other option was Accord.

I will let you know what happens when I have my next labs done on October 9. They usually take a couple days to come in but I will let you know if they show up on my loves or not. I’m assuming they will.

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ArlisT Says:

Re: Suzysurf (# 30)


I never heard of Par before either. I hope it works for you and they keep you on it. That switching between brands every few months is murder. I have Medicaid, which every state runs differently. Most times you can't get a name brand from them unless there is no generic alternative, or you have a doctor who will advocate for you to get the name brand. As far as specific generic brands, that just depends on the pharmacy. If your doctor writes for it and your pharmacy will order it for you, that's great. I've lived in several different states and I have learned they are under no obligation to do so.

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suzpat68 Says:
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Re: ArlisT (# 31)

Exactly. They do not have to order it. But because I have use this pharmacy for 15 years. They will even deliver to your house. And when I used to get seizures all the time and couldn’t drive, they would deliver my medications. But they are really good about knowing what I need and what brands I need. There’s another medication that I take where there are two generics. One is really tiny and one is much larger. And I found a larger one to be much more effective plus it takes longer to dissolve as well. And it just works better. So they always make sure they have it for me... And it’s one of those companies that keeps changing names. They used to be Westwood. Or I think they were something else before Westwood. But so far so good with the Par ODT. I’ll be having labs done to see if they show up or not. I guess that will be the real truth. The other medication that I mentioned that dissolves, the one brand shows up at a high level in my system where as the other brand does not. It shows up but not at the same level.

But, pharmacists can be real jerks sometimes. They don’t have to tell you anything over the phone, they don’t have to tell you even if they have a medication in stock or they carry it. Unless they have your prescription on file. I literally had to drive around to different pharmacies to ask what brand they carried and they would only tell me after I showed them my prescription bottle. And then they told me that that was a big mess and that all generics were exactly alike. I said well then why isn’t it showing up in my blood work and labs. I said they’ve done all sorts of laboratory work.

Urine, swab and blood. It showed up and none of them. I said how was that possible. They said well you’re not taking them. I said I do to take them because if I didn’t take them I’d be on the floor. And they said well we can’t help you. So yeah they can be real jerks. My doctor really didn’t believe me at first. But he was OK with switching medications to the ODT. He just assumed I wasn’t taking it. I said listen dude I said I can’t not take it. But I’ll let you know how the labs come out.

Thank you Arlis.

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