Roxane Subutex (westward/hikma) (Page 2)

So for a couple years now my Roxane/westward/hikma pills have been super inconsistent or just flat out felt like 2mgs instead of 8mgs. Sometimes they work sometimes they do almost nothing. It started in about the end of 2015. I think i was taking them before 2015 but never looked at the brand until i started having withdrawals out of nowhere. It was like a completely different med. So for almost 2 years i have been having issues. I'm fed up and i have changed brands but always only had partial fills and back to the roxane/westward/hikma brand. Anyone else notice any differences in this brand?

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Re: Tylor (# 19)

Yes, I take 8mg buprenorphine x 4 daily... for one thing its way cheaper and I personally get the best effects from using it.. Where suboxone is more money and they have suggested is 2 x 8mg daily, but it's not up to the pharmacy or your insurance to decide how much you get...and my dr..wants me on 4 x 8mg a day. At first my insurance said they will only cover 3 a day. So they sent the dr. a prior authorization to sign and send back to the pharmacy..I just did this 2 weeks ago again because I changed pharmacies.

I have been taking subs since 2007 and I have always taken 4 a day. Only once did I have to find a new dr. He said he only gives 3 per day.. So I said ok... 8 months later I have found a dr who is fresh out of college. She told me everyone has a different metabolism, so some need basically a different dose based on what their treatment is. i.e. how long did one abuse and so on... I actually had a dr visit way back. And he said first "If you're here for buprenorphine I only give one per person"... I said this will not work....so now my new doc gives me 4 per day, my adderall 20mg x 3 day. And she just prescribed me elavil which I have never tried before. But read alot of blogs about it working....

How come you just don't take subutex? Because of the price difference? Not to mention it's almost a completely different feeling from it. That naloxone is nasty. If your dr will not prescribe it, well then it's time to find a new doc... All I did when I make my appointments because what 13 years of this.. I call tell the secretary the most important meds you're concerned with if you like make the appointment. Don't wast your money and time not knowing what to outcome will be.

And if anyone else is reading this, a new generic buprenorphine 8mg came out. Purdue makes them, Rhodes is the distributor. So they are small round white with markings RP B8 (NDC 42858-502). Wow, they are great. I started on the original brand subutex, and god they were the best, so now subutex by Rhodes. Get them, I've taken every generic out there. Oh, not to mention, but subutex has more buprenorphine in it than suboxone. It says 8.64mg equivalent to 8mg. Now one brand Mylan has 8.624mg bup equalvent to 8mg..doesn't say that on suboxone... only 8mg.. So who wouldn't prefer subutex?

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Re: Charlene (# 14)

Where are you located? I have contacted almost every local non chain pharmacy and they cannot seem to get them. My concern if I did get them and they are that much better. Then what happens when I cant get the rp b8s? I have to settle/suffer a month at least or more until they get them again? Not worth the risk. I have had too many different manufacturers these past 6 months. I found a Pharmaca pharmacy that regularly get Westward/Hikma. I would love to get Rhodes Purdue if it would be consistent. I too get 120 8mg Subutex/Buprenorphine a month paying cash with GoodRx discount is $219. I'm in San Francisco Oakland area and no luck after hours and days of searching.

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Re: megalosdog (# 8)

Picking up my Roxanne/Westward tomorrow. Had a month from hell with Sun 460's tongue and tummy torture. Amongst other horrible side effects. First time in two years felt like using every day. Those Hi Tech were pretty lousy for me too from Costco and Safeway. Very weak . So I am happy to have found the Westward again. I had them a few months back and really liked them but CV ass only had one bottle and since won't order anything but Sun anymore. No more Mylan either. I'm done with the chain pharmacies especially Wal not so smart not accepting discount coupons anymore.

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Re: Davidjw1 (# 22)

I live in southwest Florida. For the NDC # 42858-502-03 I HAD TO USE A MOM N POP SHOP. I showed them the NDC # And I told them they came out in October 2017 and they cost the pharmacy $2.40 for each pill. And since most pharmacies in my area Charge from $3.75-$4.25 a pill they could just about double their money.. they called me the next day and said they were in...now like everyone knows each one of us is different on what buprenorphine products works best.

Please just don't take my word... but I have to say if you're like everyone else and stays with hikma 54 411s, the Rhodes will not let you down...I hear nothing but people raving and complaining about the original brand name subutex... for those of us that were lucky enough to try it. As of right now the only 2 generics that come close to it are these two... If you're not sure, do what I did get and a partial refill for 2 weeks. That way it gives you time to decide and try. With me, i need a month to decide. Now with actavis it was 4 days and i knew right then I did not like it...but go to the other medschat Rhodes threads and read all the raves. You will finally have found the best generic on the market today up with hikma brand.

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Re: Charlene (# 24)

Today I got a reply from an independent "mom n pop" pharmacy that does compounding, who I emailed requesting whether they could order the Rhodes Purdue Buprenorphine. Success!! Finally after three months and hours of calling, emailing and visiting pharmacies. I am in the San Francisco area and believe it or not they are able to get these for me at less than $2 each! So it can be done. It takes time and it is possible to get the Rhodes Purdue Buprenorphine. I will pick them up next week. Thank you for the suggestions and the NDC number, too.

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Re: davidjw1 (# 25)

Great news..concentrate on your journey. It took me a good 2 months to find them and get them. It happened to be the pharmacy I had always used..I'm not as brave as some. I guess shy. One day while driving home from the drs. I stopped in talked with them and yes they were very interested I'm thinking because of the mega money for them I think it cost my pharmacy some wear $2 each then sell them to customers for $250 cash price. I only had to do cash price a few times..darn its expensive for those without insurance. Oh btw, my sister in law other family members live in San Francisco..the first time I took the Rhodes and I noticed it doesn't have that strong bup. Taste it's very, very smooth too. I take 3 and a half a day. I haven't had any problem at all...well last month I got stuck with the orange ones that totally put my body out of wack..I picked mine up went straight to the car open the bag. And took one. I have to say they are so shiny and so well made. Its about time they finally came out with a good bup.

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Re: Bobby (# 20)

Did you ever find the Rhodes yet?? I can say they are so m.n nicly made and shiny. Its definitely a beautiful looking pill. But then again I think all pills are good. That's what landing me on these subs.i like that fact they don't have that bup taste afterwards. But I'm not going to complain about them to much, I need these pills to survive

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Re: Charlene (# 24)

One thing I found out that chain pharmacies don't seem to help you with getting the brand you prefer. Each one has their own suppliers. All the Walmarts have the same kind of subs, at least by me, I found out. The small shops want your business so they are more likely to help someone out.

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I have been on the Westward 54 411 subutex for four years. Last refill I noticed that I'm extremely tired instead of the pick me up "get going" start that I used to have with them. Has something in the formula changed? They sure do not seem the same.

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Re: LauraLee (# 29)

Yes the change the formula along with the name is now called hikma. 54 411.. slot of people are now turning to Rhodes 8mg the are nice, shiny and not dull or chipped up.very smooth they melt somewhat fast..and they seem to be stronger..they are close in campared with original brand name subutex the first bup I have ever tried b wa cl in 2005..we finally got one q new very good generic yaaa..

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Charlene (# 26)

Hi Charlene my Pharmacy is in downtown San Francisco. If your family need a recommendation. Let me know. They don't take coupons (no compounding pharmacies do out here) and charge me less than what the chains do with a 76% off coupon. They can get or compound anything in the USA. Verrry customer fruendly and order my Rhodes ahead before I even provide the prescription! So i drop it off wait a bit and off I go. They're awesome. I will never use a chain ever again.

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I'm a 4 year patient of suboxone to subutex generics after I lost insurance (with the GoodRx app they are cheaper) or wellRX is new and has a cvs coupon for 36. And Change for 30 8 mg tablets. Download the app!! Anyway, sun are weak, actavis are ok. I loved the westward/hikma but I just got the RP b8 from Rhodes and I am really impressed. I only had them for 3 days but so far even better than the 54 411 Hikmas!

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Re: Bobby (# 20)

Kroeger- Smiths Grocery pharmacy carries Rhodes. They switched from Hi Tech thank goodness!

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Re: Janeway (# 5)

I have been on Subutex 8mg for approximately 9 years now. From the same doctor in Florida. I have taken my prescription to multiple different pharmacies and I don't care if they red flag me, green flag me, yellow flag me. It doesn't matter to me as long as they fill my prescription. One of the problems you might be having is you want to take the Subutex for pain, that might cause you a problem with ur Dr. Or clinic. They do help with pain. Its tricky situation you are in. If you tell them you want it for pain you will have a much harder time getting it prescribed. Its for opiate users to get off of opiates. Now! Listen. If you want Suboxone for ur pain, you will need to tell ur clinic or Dr that u want it to get off opiates. Even though they help with pain they are prescribed to get off of opiates so doctors or the clinic will give u a hard time. You mentioned, the clinic said you don't qualify for their program right? That's because you are telling them you want Suboxone for pain instead of Suboxone to get off of opiates. If you really want Suboxone for pain you are going to have to lie and tell them you want to get off of opiates then you will get the prescription you want. Now a lot of doctors or clinics don't like to prescribe Subutex, they want you to be on Suboxone. And there's a difference in them for me. They work for the same to get of opiates. Good luck and do what I said.

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Re: Bobby (# 2)

Just switched from Hikma to Rhodes and they are much better IMO

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Re: Kevin (# 1)

Same problem and I've used the exact same pharmacy same pills.go on any buprenorphine board to many people changing and having withdrawls to some extent! FDA PLUS OR MINUS TWENTY PERCENT ON GENERICS WHEN YOU MADE US TAKE NAME BRAND FOR DAMN NEAR TWENTY YEARS. YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ADDICCTS TWICE!!

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Omg I wake up in withdrawal when they changed and I hate this because you’re stuck with the whole months worth of meds!

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Re: Bobby (# 2)

Hikma Buprenorphine is the only manufacturer that has I've become terribly ill from. Nausea, vomiting, sweating. I literally feel that I might die from taking this medication. I've taken Buprenorphine for over 3 years and tried just about every manufacturer and this is the only one that makes me feel sick.

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Ive taken buprenorphine about three years with few problems but just went through two months of increasing nausea and vomiting and high pain levels after my pharmacy changed the brand to Hikma (I had no idea this was the cause until i switched pharmacies again and got yet a different brand.) My pain was under control again and the nausea slowly disappeared over the first few days of taking it. I plan to report this. I asked my pain doc and pcp but neither would fill an anti-nausea med for me. This has been a horrible and costly experience.

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Re: Alex (# 38)

I have had the same experience with the Hikma brand!

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