New Subutex Laws (Page 2)

I went to see my doctor this week and he told me that the FDA and the DEA had passed a new law for prescribing Subutex. As of July 1st 2015 Subutex can only be given to pregnant woman or to someone with documentation saying they can't take Suboxone. If you don't have that you will be put on Suboxone.

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Ok they approved them. My last two post will be helpful if you are looking for info on this new law.

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Wow Jim, why are you on this page? Compassion... Probably not! To educate us, not that either because you have to have knowledge to do that. So what is your reason for being in the Medchat room? It is safe, is there something you want to share? Does a family member use and it's hurting you? I don't make assumptions but if you are so bored that you choose to hurt someone's feelings by cyber bullying, I am going to use knowledge to determine you were abused and now you are an abuser... But not of drugs. My expertise tells me that 1 in 12 recover from drug addiction but those abused will abuse others with the possibility of your recovery being zero. Because 1500% of children abused are neglected more than any other addiction can cause neglect in a home ; that means your bulling is worse then someone managing their own pain management... Addicted or not. Don't complain to someone who requires a specific medicine if you are not a dr. Because all you did was give me an opportunity to share my June 5,2015 discovery of abuses and your type if abuse problem is worse Then my pain management by 1500% at least.

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ya, jim is basically just a tool. kinda ironic that he tells others to "get a life", no?

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Michael, it is awesome that you are researching help. You can do it! And I want to hear about your success.

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If you guys put your energy into going to school and doing REAL research you would Perhaps get off drugs. Why did you start any way???? Drug addicts like you ruin it for conservative folks who when in pain can't get medication because you have abused it.

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To the person who posted as comments: Since obviously you haven't read earlier posts from me... I AM a college graduate! I have put plenty of time into doing research and studying. It's none of your business but since you asked I'll tell you. I became an addict back in 2009. It might surprise you, but I didnt just wake up one morning and say, "Hey, today would be a great day to start getting high and ruin my life! "My addiction started when I was in a serious car accident and broke both legs and arms, ruptured my spleen, and fractured my pelvis. Long story short, I became addicted to the pain medicine that my doctors gave me. I took the prescriptions exactly as directed, but after months of taking them, I was "hooked". It's not that I wanted to feel "high", my body just had to have them. I was so sick without them that I couldn't get out of bed. I called my doctor and she sent me to an addiction specialist. So that's how I became an addict. So don't be so quick to judge. You said people like me make it hard for people like you to get pain medicine. I was just like you and you could end up just like me.

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how about you go get a life? i mean, whats your point? does it make you feel better about yourself to put others down? and how sad your life must be that you entertain yourself by trolling a chat room about drugs for the purpose of insulting strangers. how very sad indeed. have a nice day. oh....and maybe get yourself some therapy. it can help.

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Michael, I take suboxone for pain by choice to control my chronic pain from RA that simply will not respond to treatment. I have mixed methotrexate and suboxone for 2 years now with no issues. I'm at .5ml injections, but have been as high as 1ml as I don't seem to absorb the pills.

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Actually they do give alcoholics medication I'm not sure that it's benzos(since your so familiar with street lingo) however, a true alcoholic does get some form of medication similar to keep them from having violent seizures. Just as the FDA wouldn't tell a diabetic to exercise and eat healthy so they don't have to have insulin so they can take a pill form to control their sugar levels or tell someone with chronic pain to get surgery instead of pain medication they shouldn't try to decide what's best for a recovering addict.... The DOCTOR knows what's best for THIER patient. All it boils down to is what gets someone voted back in office or how more money can be made.... Know your facts before you go on with your incorrect rants....

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U have no idea what u r speaking of. It's stupidity like yours that's causing hundreds of thousands of people to get back on street drugs.

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Who are you calling stupid Chris?

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I would venture a guess and say Chris was referring to ol' Jibberjabber Jimmy!

I ran into this thread through receiving the medschat newsletter, and the mean-spiritedness of James (who obviously has had a difficult time making a career choice) literally jumped right off the page at me...

Most of us were taught in pre-school, "if you have nothing nice to say, it's better to say nothing at all." Surely, Jimmy, with all that education, you heard that somewhere??

I am a cancer patient...unfortunately, pain meds are a large part of this experience. I will be having hip replacement due to this cancer on August 3rd...and I'm only in my 40's. Won't be stopping the pain meds anytime soon and I am honestly fearful of addiction...my body is used to this medicine. What is the difference between tolerance/addiction? As my body has built up a tolerance to a dose, my oncologist has increased it - stating this is a common occurence...

Michael, I so admire your strength. I wouldn't wish addiction/withdrawal on my worst enemy. Your path to recovery should be commended, as should be those whose comments served to validate you and your experience.

Shame on this random person hiding behind a keyboard while passing judgement...isn't there enough unkindness in the world? I, as do obviously a few others, wonder what exactly you (Jim) are wanting to accomplish through your hateful words?

I feel pity for you (Jim) that this is the best way you can think of to spend your time - taking anonymous jabs at people who are simply reaching out for help/education/support. I do agree with the inference that perhaps you have been abused...studies have shown that to be at the root of that particular anti-social behavior. Please seek help, and stop hurting others in a misguided effort to make yourself feel better.

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apparently there are a couple of LOSERS on here who find it amusing or gratifying or whatever to make fun of other peoples problems. they tell us to "get a life" and meanwhile they entertain themselves by insulting others. sort of ironic that they tell others to "get a life", when this is how they spend their time. trolling chat rooms in search of strangers to insult. that is the VERY DEFINITION of someone who really needs to get a life.

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They DO. No they don't. initially yes to get through detox. I'm talking about after detox there is no medication except Revia which is simply Naltrexone. I.m talking chronically. Like an addict goes to get their subutex, using it for perhaps years. Dr's don't give alcoholics Valium or klonopin or any other scheduled drug for Maintenance Do they??? Why is it that alcoholics after they detox are left to their own devices to cope while opiate addicts get pretty much opiates albeit synthetic. Why can't they after detox and being weaned off go with out a fix. It's ridiculous. Giving Subutex to an opiate addict is like giving gin to an alcoholic. Both are synthetic drugs and mirror the one being abused or dependent on. Ask any decent Half-way Shrink and they will tell you that! Have I made my self clear??? Or would you like to do battle in Psychopharmacology some more???

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Because after being an alcoholic, your brain will eventually get back to "normal".....whereas with opiate addicts, shoving "artificial" endorphins in there all the time makes your brain shut down. So your opiate receptors just "give up" and stop working. Now eventually, some opiate addicts, younger ones or ones who are not EXTREME addicts....their brains MAY start making endorphins again. but long term opiate addicts have a REALLY hard time feeling "normal" again without some type of opiate replacement therapy. thats why we op heads....we can feel "better" after detox, but a lot of times it can be years and years before we even feel half way normal again. my doctor seems to think i will probably have to be on some form of ORT (opiate replacement therapy) for the rest of my life. This is also why opiate addicts have such a high relapse rate. It's not psychological, its chemical.

long story short: alcoholic brains for the most part will bounce back. A lot of times, opiate brains don't?

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To Jim, Wow for a nurse you are very judgmental, did you miss the day they taught compassion? I am an RN with a Masters in chemistry, and a Masters in Microbiology. I recently left nursing and now work as a biologist for one of the best hospitals in the country. Your attitude is appalling, and I hope your bedside manner is not so aggressive. You don't belong in this field.

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To all the negative peoples comments, naloxan constricts the blood vessels in the users brain causing long term migrain headaches. This medication is to help people not cause more damage.

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Why is he a bad nurse for expressing his opinion???? Why don't alcoholics get a benzo to relieve them of cravings for ETOH??? People in alcohol withdrawl are in much more danger then people withdrawing from opiates. Are they not??? Alcoholism causes more damage to a family and society in general then any opiate. Not to mention it causes damage to the liver and every other body organ. Opiate addicts can function in society, go to work, have substantial relationships. Alcoholics can't go to work nor function in society. I know of many people who use opiates and function just fine. They go to work, have intercourse, feed their families, contribute to society and don't smell like booze. An opiate addict has a far better chance of doing these things then an alcoholic does. It does hurt like heck when an opiate addict runs dry, but they wont die from it. An alcoholic can through grand mal seizures. Many addicts (not saying anyone in this chat) sell their opiates. We know this because we are finding suboxone, subutex and methadone on the streets along WITH PRESCRIBED oxycontin, perc's, xanax and anything else they can feel high off of. Recently I heard (an Anecdote) that Prozac and other SSRI's are being sold on the St. ETOH should be illegal. It's a benzo in a bottle. there's absolutely no NEED for alcohol to be available to anyone.BUT Since it is legal it is available to anyone 21 and over. Being liberal, I feel that small amounts of opiates should be included in certain wines and spirits like back in the late 1800's and early 1900's People functioned and got along fine with these products and medicinals. I even feel as it were before that small amounts of coke should be put in these spirits. Again, there were no problems with this mixture of wine and stimulant back in the day.

Yes, many people became dependent on it but that's no different from any other medicinal or alcoholic product available now and at that time. The first punative laws stemming from opiates came about because of the Chinese and their inability to function due to the smoking of opium. I've read at least 5 biographies of Freud and with Freud Scholars know from his Friend's Family and colleagues that he was NEVER addicted nor dependent on coke. He used it yes, but as a scientist. He did many experiments and studies with it, On Moravian soldiers, on muscle movement. It's influences on work, sleep and it's pharmacology. Actually if it was not for Freud Karl Kohller would perhaps never have discovered that coke can be used as an anasthetic for the eye in surgery. Somehow we never hear of that. He with Freud's help became famous overnight. Not Freud. Freud made mistakes of course like prescribing coke to ease morphine withdrawal and alcoholism. Yes it did these things, but to you and I this sounds crazy. They did relieve themselves of Morphinism and Alcoholism but as you can guess became dependent on Coca. Freud did use coke as a pick me up and occasionally sent a half gram to his Fiance Martha Bernays. It was to be divided up into small doses or a couple large doses, which were small compared to doses that are taken today. He used it as an aphrodisiac, how he performed we don't know. He did along with Martha have 7 beautiful children. (I think 7) have to confirm. we know Anna became a well known child psychoanalyst along with Melanie Klein. Freud was doing something right in the bedroom!. It eased his indigestion and stomach ailments. he could write and work for hours and hours, it actually helped him sleep due to it wearing off soon and it awakening him early to start his day. WE know of people today who take Adderall, Ritalin and other stimulants for ADHD, Narcoleosy but also to start their day and that's fine with me. Heck I would.. Freud was a brilliant, awesome, speculative man.

There was no flim-flamin him. Amidst reports of dependence and other disasters that came along with the use of Coca. Freud, although not right away, eventually gave up his coke ways. He used it for a long time, yes. But gave it up with out ill effects. and no more advocated or prescribed it. (Freud, Coke PAPERS, Byck) Hoffman who discovered LSD came to admire it's effects. Berger discovered Librium, the famous benzodiazepine used for alcohol w/drawl and anxiety. He almost threw the discovery away because it was a chemical that had been sitting unused in the lab for quite some time. With some simple manipulation of the structure we now have our first benzo. produced. What I'm saying is that drugs, chemicals whatever I feel should be available in amounts safe for human consumption, like vitamins and herbs. It can be done. We live in a free society but we don't live in a free society. I should be able to put in my body anything I feel like putting in it. Should not I??? We can't hurt people along the way though. I feel there would be far less hurt to go around if this was the case. Do you?? Prescription only status was designed to keep opium and morphine away from eager hearts. We know this arrangement hasn't worked. And why did it come to include everybody?? this is not a free society. The Harrison Narcotic act, The food and drug amendments really killed it for us. Nixon forming the DEA. The ability for normal citizens to use drugs according to their wants and needs went to hell in a hand basket. Contrary to belief there is no war on drugs. There's a war on people who want to use drugs and be left alone though! There's no need for a DEA but all people need a job though right?? The DEA continues to misinform people about these awful, dangerous, harmful substances we know as Oxy, Xanax, Molly, etc.

Oxycontin is attacked every way and its abuse has lead to OD's and Dependence. What they leave out of these little tidbits is that people who OD have other pharmaceuticals on board also. To say people are Over dosing through Oxycodone alone is complete nonsense. Thats what we are told though. Same thing with Xanax, klonopin, valium. They combine it with alcohol and other sedatives but we are to believe that it's all because of these single drugs. I always laugh when I hear that and ask myself can people be that stupid to believe that??? It's like, "Yep" they can. People who OD are in fact for the most part inexperienced with these drugs. we know that because most addicts don't use alone, can consume massive doses of opiates at a time also it takes a considerable amount of time to die from an OD of opiates. Rarely does one just simply stop breathing. There are steps the body has to go through. Just like the stupid comment, "This drug is so addictive just taking it once leads to addiction." Who comes up with this nonsense. (See Carl Hart, "High Price" awesome book that does a great job dispelling these silly wives tales.) It takes a little work on the part of the user to become dependent on any drug. I feel addiction is made harder on people because of these punative laws that prohibit us from obtaining substances that we want to consume. I hope everyone does well. We need to stop listening to these silly stories and myths. to use drugs is ones own perogative not mine. Lets leave them alone should they so choose but also help when in need! Let me ask a question to you guys that I ask students. I am not a teacher just a Tutor at times in A & P and Drugs and Society. If one discover's a drug like Berger, hoffman (We can't include freud because he didn't discover Coca. just the person to become the scapegoat because he advocated it so much) should that person be able to manufacture it and use it for their own personal use????

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Hey Jay.........blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Lost interest when you mentioned Freud.

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Actually, ETOH destroys brain cells and they don' t recover. It also destroys organs and lives and families. If ETOH detox is not handled properly, the alcoholic could die.

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