10 Mg Dextroamphetamine (zenzedi/wilshire) Drama

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Mat Says:

well, I went off Mallinckrodt after being back on that for awhile at 80 mg and I had to go on the hunt again. Well there is a brand called Zenzedi that has the same 10 mg tablet as wilshire and i find those to last a little longer... not as much mentally hardcore in the focus area but at least the urge to pig out hits every 3.5-4 hours vs 2... They all beat the rest away (vyvanse, dex spansule, adderall, ritalin....) Now they need to go to a higher dose because 180-270 pills depending on the brand per month is nuts. And I respect that long acting generation and that it helps but don't think all of us on them are crackheads.

Speaking of which, I used to get the brand name 5 mg ones 420 per month during the adderall boom and they were $37 at my pharmacy.... lay off the prices. These are all that work for some of us.

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David Says:

Hi Mat,

Thanks for sharing your feedback on the different types of amphetamine pills. I personally haven't used this medication before, but was wondering out of curiosity, what makes the Zenzedi (dextroamphetamine sulfate) tablets any better than the dex spansule and adderall on the drug list that you mentioned? Like do the extended-release versions of those medications not compare to the lasting effects of Zenzedi?

To my understanding, Dextroamphetamine is also the same ingredient found in Dexedrine Spansule as well as one of the ingredients in Adderall, so it wasn't entirely clear to me how it could work any better than another version of the same medication.

I supposed it really comes down to the list of inactive ingredients found in each brand name. Often times manufacturers use the cheaper binders and fillers (i.e. corn starch, propylene glycol, dye, etc...) to help save a buck; but those can also have a significant effect on the overall efficacy of the drug itself.

You can learn more about this drug on the page for Dextroamphetamine Details

Does anyone else have experience trying different versions of Dextroamphetamine?

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4hunter4 Says:

Zendide by arbor pharmaceuticals are the best. Arbor also has to great patient assistance programs. Go to their website and check it out.

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TheDeal Says:

News Flash Wilshire is Arbor's generic company.... It's a complete scam they are the absolute exact same pill just comes to the pharmacy in a bottle that reads Wilshire not Arbor....

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4hunter4 Says:

Adderall is a mix of dextroamphetamine salts.
For example typical combination the falling salts plus binders and fillers:
amphetamine aspartate monohydrate (25%) stimulant
amphetamine sulfate (25%) stimulant
dextroamphetamine saccharate (25%) stimulant
dextroamphetamine sulfate (25%) stimulant <
On the other hand Dextroamphetamine is just Dextroamphetamine plus binders and fillers, also referred to as Dexidrine.

Each manufacturer uses different binders and fillers which (despite their claims to the contrary) can have a significant impact on the effectiveness of the drug(s).

I have chronic AADD (adult attention deficit disorder - a lot of words to describe a group of symptoms). I have 14 years of experience with the various compounds and manufactures. Zenzedi is a manufacturer of dextroamphetamine tablets.
I personally rank effectiveness by manufacturer as follows.
1. TEVA/BARR
2.Zendedi
3.Everybody else except Wilshire.
5. Wilshire ... binders or fillers almost neutralize effectiveness for me.

I think capsule "long lasting" are an expensive bad joke.
I have found a combination of Adderall and dextroamphetamine to be the most effective. (1 Adderall 30mg with 3-4 5mg Dextroamphetamine) 3x's a day works almost perfect for me and has for several years.

Stay away from Wilshire brand - a waste of money and time. Stay far far away from Lithium for a number of reasons.
Barr is still #1 IMHO.

As with all medication you are the only one who really knows how it is working for you. ... Good luck

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4huinter4 Says:

Hi TheDeal ... Have you actually taken Wiloshire? What a joke, might as well be taking asprin. Zenzedi seems slightly weaker then TEVA/BARR but in a whole other league from that junk Wilshire pushes ... I actually took my second script of Wilshire to my dr. and had her write a new one which I took to Walgreens (BARR). Walgreens is currently the cheapest in this town (cash pay) with coupon.

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TheDeal Says:

You must have some kind of placebo effect.. Arbor Zenzedi and Wilshire is exactly the same come off same production line absolutely NO DIFFERENCE... Zenzedi just comes in different doses as well as the 5mg and 10mg... 2.5,7.5,15, 20 & 30

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Liqpluspatchanstick Says:

Adderal is the Dextro an Levo so the racemate mix version dexidrine is the good ingredient the right sided an left sided isomers are diff Levo effects more. Your central nervous system and norepinephrine bread extra affects more of that pleasure center like dopamine and serotonin Dextroamphetamine is where it's at I'm about to try the rolls Royce ADHD med an ask for desoxn if the methamphetamine abusers have not ruined it but it's never been a big drug in my state like out west

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Ridgerunner007 Says:

Ingredients of several stimulant medications discussed in this forum from the Physicians Desk Reference. 61st EDT. Dexedrine Spansule Brand Name Sustained Release Tapered End Capsule: Inactive ingredients: cetyl alcohol, dibutyl sebacate, ethylcellulose, aluminum lake, gelatin, hypromellose, proplene glycol, providone,silicon dioxide, sodium laurel sufate, sugar spheres, + 5 color dyes. "This is the inactive ingredient for the brand name product that Smith Kline French, a/k/a Smith Kline Beecham, a/k/a Glaxo Smith Kline, sold, in the Fall Quarter of 2010, their patent license, that, was registered in 1952, for Amedra Pharma, to duplicate exactly the brand name, formerly Cardinal Health, of Winchester, Kentucky, were contracted to produce for GSK thru 12/31/10. Amedra Inc now has CorePharmaLLC 215 Wood Avenue, Middlesex NJ 08846 to duplicate this patented product. The Average Wholesale Price indeed, has risen since 2010 from $330.82 for ninety 15 mg Spansules, to a average selling price, on March 5, 2016 between two (2)national pharmacy chains (Rite Aid drugstores, and, CVS drugstores, to approximately, $17.67 per Dexedrine Spansule 15 mg size, based on a nationally advertised "RX Coupon discounts" again as of Mar 5, 2016 for thirty (30) Spansules.

Sources: REDBOOK Pharmacy's Fundamental Reference 114th edition, page 366. NDC # 00007-3514-59 linked to the Glaxo Smith Kline registered NDC code with a FDA Orange Book Rating of AB, which is 2nd place out of 18 ratings (FDA). The pattern is for the RX coupon price, to adjust slightly in the customers favor, for a larger quantity of Dexedrine Spansule Brand Name product. RX savings cards are also compatible at least 1/2 dozen or more, national or regional chain pharmacies, each with a one time separate coupon discount codes, the example given are two of the lower prices out of about a list of nearly 10 choices of competitors in the USA. Prices subject to change, and often do from weekly to monthly, no set schedule. This is just my opinion, from data, from Physicians Desk Reference, and, by Redbook, published by PDR Network and caution, this is not the most recent edition of Redbook, no longer published in textbook version, but, only available now, up to date, on the internet by a paid subscription only. Publication dates Redbook 2010, and, PDR 65th edition for year 2011. IMHO I count approximately eleven inactive binders and fillers in the original formula, plus the color dyes. Thus IMHO it appears a price increase of AWP $3.67 to a discounted internet coupon price nearly five fold increase... as the public outcry on this forum, is in print, since 2012 to 2016? I've never seen the product anywhere I shop in over five (5) years.... Southeastern USA.

Prior to the December 31, 2008 acquisition of Barr Labs, of Pamona NY 10970, "Adderall" inactive ingredients, for the instant release, tablets, were Lacititol, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Colloidal Silicon Dioxide, Magnesium Sterate. plus other color dyes. Barr Labs previously had, DSM Pharma, Inc. 5900 NW Greenville Blvd, Greenville, NC 27834 manufacturing the Adderall in its instant release versions, source from Leaflet from March 2007 original mfg pharmacy bottle. When Teva took over, in 2009, or later, the pharmacy bottle states, NDC code 0555-0972-02 for 100 tablets of the ten mg blue tabs, manufactured by Teva Pharmaceuticals, Inc Sellersville, PA 18960 Pharmacy bottle expiration date November 2014. The active ingredients have been omitted on both Dexedrine Spansules, and the Mixed Amphetamine Salts of the 4 types of amphetamines for Adderall I/R. 100 ten mg Teva/Barr tablets Average Wholesale Price, page 214 from REDBOOK was $137.16 US for NDC code 00555-0972-02. This is the most recent information I can gather, and, it is now likely antiquated due to the age of the source. Redbook 2010 ISBN 978-56363-751-3 Therefore, it seems futile to quote any more prices, of, such products, as Adderall XR, or of any newer products released since 2010 in the product line of dextroamphetamine sulfate instant release. (Aurobindo, Wilshire, Teva/Barr, Core, Mallinckrodt) The average wholesale price in the newer editions of REDBOOK is privileged information, and, only available to subscribers of that web-based service, (which has increased from 2010 $76.95 US to in excess of over $1,000.00 per year), I was informed by PDR Network and, the distributor, Thomson Reuters Healthcare Inc. Montvale, NJ 07645.

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JDex Says:

You can also get a WEALTH of information from the Orange Book from the FDA. Sounds like the Red Book was developed based on the Orange Book.

accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/ob/default.cfm

Oh yeah, Orange Book is FREE!

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Dexidrained Says:

Just wondering about the various generic forms of dextroamphetamine. After many years and prescriptions all across the stimulant spectrum, I have found the teva/barr version to be chock full of peripheral effects with little benefit. Mallinckrodt I like, but it's hard to find. Anyone have any experience with the KVK Tech generic dexis? I've found very little about them online.

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Polosmom Says:

I just got this brand. I hate it! It makes me feel wired and annoyed and just awful. I wonder if I could get another prescription...insurance probably won't pay.

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bunny girl Says:

I've been taking KVK Tech's 10mg dextroamphetamine, I'm prescribed Dexedrine, and they are absolutely horrible! For so long Walgreens carried Barr but for some ridiculous reason they have switched to KVK Tech. I take them for a severe sleeping disorder and honestly, drinking a Pepsi does more for me than these garbage ass pills. I get my script filled again tomorrow and I will not be going to Walgreens. Does anyone know if Walmart still carries Barr or have they lost their minds too?

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James B Says:

Wilshire has to be the best generic I've found to date, I just recently switched and honestly I don't know what company made my last medication but they had horrid side effects. I was literally battling side effects the entire 6 months I was on them.. Until I switched to Wilshire! It's really as if I'm taking a whole different medication, the one I was intended to take. My focus is better, the comedown is smoother and the best part is I don't feel overwhelmed by anxiety and stress my last meds made me feel. Wilshire is easily worth looking for :)

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SBSUZ Says:

Unfortunately, the stores buy whatever drug is CHEAPEST! (they don't check efficiency of the drug)...

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alsjglskdjg Says:

BTW the main submitter of this died while high on dexedrine, it was a 300mg+ dose though. Goes to show not all medication is good for you especially in high amounts like he took that day.

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SBADD Says:

Well, No Duh...Extremely high amounts of anything are not good-ESP any drug!! Him taking 300 mg (!!!) of Dex is like insufflating an 8-ball & then expecting to live thru it... So sad that some mis-use a drug that actually really helps us w/ ADD! I'm sorry about ur friend but it's really sad that he took others lives too... :(

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Joshua C Says:

I don't think it is fair to blame the drug for something like that. That elicits an unnecessary and illogical fear of the drug. A drug that when taken with common sense, and to be honest even without, is not something to be feared. Disastrous results are known to follow absurdly large doses of many different drugs and substances, not just dextroamphetamine sulfate.

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Shaun Says:

Re: James B (# 13) Expand Referenced Message

Hi James, I know this is an old post but I’m curious to know which pharmacies carry the Mikart/Wilshire generics? I’d like to try ZENZEDI but my insurance won’t cover it. The Corpharma dextroamphetamine worked best for me...but were discontinued over a year ago.

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Kf3355705 Says:

Re: alsjglskdjg (# 15) Expand Referenced Message

I know this post is old but reading your reply made me reread it again to make sure I did read it correctly. I'm sorry you went thru such a tragedy. It's a very sad & scary situation. We should all learn from these sad stories with sad endings.

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