Taking Subutex And Percocet Together
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My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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kkh Says:
 
GARY: It doesn't matter how many times you tell this to some people, they will INSIST that you can take full-agonist opioids, and then take Subutex and be perfectly fine. Already been there with these people, MANY times over. This woman on here, "Anna"? Wrote a whole PARAGRAPH of bad information, stating it as if it were the gospel. It's one thing to not know what you are putting into your OWN body, but to come on a forum like this and dispense just plain WRONG information to others when you don't have a clue is ridiculous.

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CRYSTAL: Valium is neither a painkiller, nor is it a muscle relaxer. Valium is a Benzodiazepine, which is a tranquilizer/anti-anxiety medication. It would NOT be prescribed for pain or muscle spasms.

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Your info is completely WRONG; Buprenorphine is a semisynthetic opioid derivative of thebaine. It is a mixed partial agonist opioid receptor modulator ...it is Suboxone. It will knock Percocet off the receptors and put you into precipitated withdrawal's if you take the Percocet's first and then take that but if you take that first and follow it up like an hour later with Percocet that will not happen and as far as your claim about Oxymorphone it is not new it's called Opana and has been around for a very long time.

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SLANT: Don't bother. Everything you just wrote? I have told them all this until I can't take it anymore. There are some on here that are just NOT going to believe you. When I hear someone say, yet again, that "as long as there is no Naloxone in it, you are fine", I just want to scream. Some of these people are just going to have to find out for themselves. And no, you DON'T want to find this out. I have personally been through it, and I was seriously contemplating jumping off of the roof. I thought I had been through bad withdrawals.....NOPE. Those Precips? Are no friggin JOKE!.

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Crystal Says:
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If you are already taking sub then there should be NO reason what so ever unless you're trying to feel high that you would need another pain killer. I would ask your doctor for valium for any neck pain to help relax the muscles. I have three children that I gave birth to naturally without any pain killers or anything. Your body is not used to feeling any pain since your on that medication so giving birth since yes it is painful is going to seem worse than it really is because you've been numbing yourself. 12 years ago I was addicted to opiates and was put on suboxone so I can relate to NOT feeling any pain so that even the littlest word feels horrible. Again I suggest speaking with your doctor about going on something like valium and also since your pregnant your child is now already addicted to the subutex. I know that's the standard for pregnant women however it has changed the last few years because of the sad withdrawals the babies are going through. Please please please speak with your doctor. In fact I would even maybe start seeking out advice from another doctor.

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Slant6225 Says:
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Wrong. The bupenorphine in either has THE strongest affinity for all three receptors. The naloxone is to prevent mainlining mostly. Yes naloxone/narcan IS what they give OD patients to bring them back. Trust me. If you take subutex after ANY narcotic analgesic you WILL never do it again. I promise.

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kkh Says:
 
Yes, Subs are made to get you off of full-agonist opioids like Percs, Roxys, etc. Not made to be MIXED with those things.

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kkh Says:
 
TASHA: May I ask what dosage of both that you are on? And this really isn't an "everybody's different" situation. This is what the drug is SUPPOSED to do.

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tasha Says:
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They dont make me sick. Subs get u off roxys or oxycodone. If mix sub a blocker wont allow u to feel the oxycodone. Hope that helps... Tasha.... I do both all rime. But everyone diff and effects everyone body diff

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TASHA: That is an incorrect statement. You MAY NOT go into Precips, IF you are taking a fairly low dose of both, and IF you only take the Percs AFTER taking the Subs, not the other way around. It is SCIENCE, these are FACTS. Stating that you will absolutely, in no way, go into Precips taking those two things together in any way, is just plain WRONG. You take a couple of Percs, and then do 16mgs, maybe 20mgs of Bupe? You WILL be in for something that you don't want. You are giving bad advice.

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Tasha Says:
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No you will not go in to precipitated withdrawals if taking subutex and percocet.

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kkh Says:
 
LOU LOU: Anyone who is routinely taking full-agonist opioids such as Percocet or Vicodin, together with a "blocker" like Subutex/Suboxone, would either have to be taking a pretty darn low dose of both, or taking the Subs and then the Percs AFTERWARDS in order to not "get sick". The whole point of Subs is to fill in your opioid receptors so that you are not in withdrawal, and so that you don't feel high from full-agonist opioids. So taking the two together is pretty counter-productive unless you are on a pretty low dose of both.

If you want to stop taking the painkillers and get back on Subs, I would stop taking the painkillers, wait until you start feeling withdrawals, and then take the Subs. If you take the Subs too soon after taking the painkillers, you can and will go into withdrawals. If you are still "feeling" the painkillers, and you take the Subs, you could be in trouble. There is no way around it; you really need those painkillers to go out of your system before starting the Subs again. Now, most tablet opioid painkillers are fairly short-acting, so it's not like with say, Methadone, which takes FOREVER to get out of your system. You literally have to wait at least 48 hours before starting Subs after Methadone. BUT, once you start the Subs, you should feel relief fairly quickly. May I ask what painkillers you are taking, and how much? Also, how much Subutex are you planning on taking?

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tasha Says:
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They dont make me sick. Subs get u off roxys or oxycodone. If mix sub a blocker wont allow u to feel the oxycodone. Hope that helps... Tasha

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Lou lou Says:
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Hi Tasha. My question is while on both you did not go through withdraw? I'm trying to avoid down time being "sick". I am currently taking opiates but want to start back on my subutex when I'm down to my last couple doses. So I would be on both at the same time. WILL I get sick?

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Tasha Says:
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You must have had something else in your system because I am also on Subutex and take Percocet for pain and it never went into withdrawal

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COOK: Unreal. IMMEDIATELY after you wrote what you did, another one comes along pushing Subutex over Suboxone, as if they are so different. The only reason there is Naloxone in the Subs is so you can't take it intravenously. But who cares....I'm done. People are putting powerful pharmaceuticals into their bodies, and they have NO FRIGGIN CLUE what the drugs do. And then coming on here like world's foremost authorities, making claims that are not even CLOSE to being true. "It's all good if you take Subutex, cuz it's the Suboxone that has the 'blocker', blah blah blah...." BULL! If these *****s don't want to listen, then I guess they can just go through precipitated withdrawals. Screw em.

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Zhi Gan Says:
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You took too much. Sub is very strong. You should start with 2 mg. And it's supposed to be subutex not suboxone if you want to walk in the park while withdrawing. I took it only 12 hours after opiates - not any sign of precipitated withdrawals at all and complete relaxation, even uplifted mood. My personal experience. With suboxone you will have to wait 48 hours before you take it, even if it is 2 mg. It will be enough to feel good if your daily dose is not more than 20 mg of oxycodone. Then think yourself what you want to do - maintenance or quit, I mean completely. If you wanna quit - 4 mg of sub is your max dose ( try to set on 2 mg ) for the first 2 days, then 2 mg max dose next 2 days ( try to be on 1 mg ), then if you still need 1 mg max dose for the next 1-2 days. Took me 4 days to fight a opiate habit of 8 years. I wake up on my 5th day another person. WOW! I could not believe that. And that's it. I mean completely. I didn't feel any bad physically but not mentally. I still had mad cravings. But at least I didn't feel I wanted to die. That is the problem to STAY clean especially after you know there is a magic pill subutex. Sub will work perfectly if you didn't use it before. But if you're planning on more than 5-6 days of sub, get ready to fight another problem. You will withdraw from sub. In fact each time you try this method it'll be more and more useless. You can take clonazepam before going to bed, if you can't sleep, but take it in low doses ~0.5 mg. and not more than 3-4 days. Sub makes it way stronger than it is. There is an interaction between those pills. Now you decide. For me quit means - your are COMPLETELY clean of any drug. Maintenance - you are a legal junky with a certificate. By the way, you will also have to quit it, if you don't want to be on it for the rest of your life. Subutex withdrawal lasts for ~3 weeks, how are you gonna handle it if you can't pass only one week. And now all those guys from maintenance programs are welcome to eat me alive :) But you know what... It is just your weakness. Keep it real and tell the truth to yourself and stop complaining. Just be strong. I know I'm bad for you, but you will talk this way when you are clean. Till then you want to hear everybody agrees with you. I was such a person for 8 years. Your life is in YOUR hands and don't let it be in hands of anybody else. It's yours. Your life. Think about it.

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Cook Says:
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Very true..people get mixed up about the two..buprenorphine itself is the real blocker n antagonist that makes other opiates bounce off the receptors ..suboxone is a cash cow they added a lil naloxone to act like it's less likely to be abused but it's not true cuz I know people who abuse their suboxone strips..same as a person could do with subutex too but it's a waste as well ..so it's so hard to get the original cheaper subutex because of this trick suboxone makers spread..but most doctors know subutex itself has a ceiling effect to where u can take 1 or 10 n u will feel no difference so it is not some big a useable drug anymore then suboxone ..just paying 600 for a script of suboxone or like 150 for the subutex..n reckitt bankster who makes suboxone I think are doing some kind of kick backs n their pamphlets are all over sub docs offices. But I also heard that the makers of suboxone tell the dea these lies n tell on docs writing subutex instead of their suboxone n the dea is allegedly busting docs balls for writing subutex n I heard limiting it to 60 pills a month instead of the normal 90 n u can get up to 120 a month like I was after I had a car accident and doc kept me on that but I would have leftovers but not have to worry..now I have to find a new doc n the ones near me only wanna write suboxone. even know my doc wrote on the first few scripts patient cannot take naloxone. i told him about my allergic reactions when I tried the suboxone two diff times b4. he came n opened an office here but his original office is in miss. I was on at his office here for months then all of a sudden he says he's closing down cuz of money n the chiropractor who was suppose to go in with him backed out but he said I could come to his office in miss. N even sent out letters to all the patients here saying we can if we want n won't have to pay the initial 500$ fee again..yea a lot..two hour drive from here n he started giving a refill so I was going..n all of a sudden this last month his sec. Said something about I'm trying to come to early but she was totally wrong but was accusing me then she figured out it wasn't that n that's the appt he gave me n it fit the time..but still said I need a new doc cuz the dea sent out a letter saying that patients have to fill their scripts within 60 miles of his office which would I guess make me pay cash cuz I have Florida Medicaid ..n he still said I have to get a doc over here even know he has a Florida license too..? he never was like this b4 n I didn't even fill refills early or anything..but he said the dea sent out that letter to all the docs and he said that they say now that only 60 pills a month are allowed even if u came to him still n I couldn't get a refil anymore so..he was always nice n all I dunno what happened or if all of this is true..so he at least gave me one script for 120 but didn't wanna at first n he said to let me find a doc he wrote me a separate script for 90 with a refill..so I was searching on the internet or whatever to try n find different docs then the few well known ones here n was branching out to travel further..I didn't finish yet, I got to page 17 n one called me back who is close to me. I never heard of her b4 but she called twice at closing time like 5pm n said how it works there but I told her I'm on subutex not the other of course she mumbled something but she said as long as she knows I'm just switching docs cuz she's closer n all it's just like her continuing my same meds, she said she can not give some big amount though. I said 120, she said way too much. I said well I can get by on at least 90. I been on it for like 20 months..she said the most she can do is 60 a month. I was like I dunno n I said it twice so she said so u cant do that. I was like not really so she was bout to say ok bye n hang up but I said last second I'll let u know n call u back, she said ok..it's cheap too. she said first visit is only 75$ n that's for urine n blood work..n 7 days later if labs are good n all she gives the script n it's 120 a month which is cheap for here so..it's just a pain that they are makin them for the cheaper subutex. i mean their saying all over how this med is saving lives n Obama just put all that money towards opioid replacement meds n he n they called it buprenorphine even not damn suboxone so money is towards methadone clinics but they know they don't work well. people can't get there every early morning n all the crap they need to let docs prescribe methadone privately for addiction replacement cuz now they only write it for pain; can't for addiction...

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kkh Says:
 
MYKL ZUCK: Thank you!! Crap, if I had a nickel for everyone who thinks the naloxone is even a THING with this drug. For every "expert" on here who things "as long as there's no narcan in it blah blah blah....." UGH!!! SUBUTEX OR SUBOXONE, the DRUG ITSELF is a "blocker"... the bioavailabililty of Naloxone sublingually is like 10 percent, and is in there to keep people from taking it intravenously. It is the BUPE ITSELF that is the damned "blocker". If any of you throw yourself into precipitated withdrawals from listening to these *****S, then I guess it's on you. "I've been on this for 10 years and I know ALL about it!!!" No, you obviously DON'T!!! Un flipping real.

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Mykl Zuck Says:
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You take your Subutex then the perc... if you take an opiate blocker then take an opiate. Your gonna wish you hadn't. Problem is the Subutex or suboxone will cancel out the percocets. Or at least you'll barely feel the affects of the percocets. I was In a accident and had 16 surgeries. I was on every pain med out there. I take Subutex now daily ... also take roxy condone 30mg AFTER I TAKE THE SUBUTEX. REHASH: SUBUTEX 1ST THEN PAIN MEDS

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