Taking Subutex And Percocet Together
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My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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kkh Says:
 
ZACH: Yes, exactly, and yet look at all the comments saying otherwise. It's just a medical, scientific, proven fact. Yup, what Zach said. These *****s are going to throw someone into a really bad time. Hopefully people on here won't believe their BS.

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One must be in moderate withdrawal from opiates before they can take any form of bupe, including subutex, otherwise you will experience precipitated withdrawal. It is NOT the naloxone alone that causes this. It is the buprenorphine.

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I'm also on a wait list and yes, it truly irritates me to no end when I see people selling or trading their bupe. They either don't realize or don't care that there are people who take their recovery seriously and really need to be on a maintenance program in order to start rebuilding their lives and they are wasting a spot in a clinic or whatever. I hope everything works out for you and your daughter, James.

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JAMES: Like this DJ TRU guy. "One has the blocker, the other doesn't, end of story!" Oh boy, not only is that not the "end of the story", it isn't even the RIGHT story. Unreal. You can break it to them, in scientific fact, and they will still be saying "no way dude!!" Because they have been able to take a Perc with a tiny dose of Subutex, hours apart, well that proves it! Not to mention the part about "lets see how we can take our Opiate Replacement Therapy meds, and get away with taking our dope at the same time!!" Besides the fact that I personally experienced precipitated withdrawals, the binding affinity of Bupe is a scientific fact, it isn't my opinioni! That is something I NEVER want to go through again! I thought I knew what "withdrawal" was all about, having been a 30 year+ addict....OMG. That was INSANE! You know how they say "climbing the walls"? I was LITERALLY climbing the walls, and banging my head against them, and begging my spouse to smother me with a pillow. The spouse started shoving Trazodone down my throat, and I FINALLY passed the heck out. Friggin TRAIN WRECK!

ONCE MORE FOR CLARITY: Buprenorphine ITSELF can and will throw you into precipitated withdrawals, whether it contains Naloxone or not. Of course there can be exceptions depending on how long you wait and how much you take of either substance, but these are facts, not my opinion. This also comes from my own research and two different doctors who are addiction specialists. One of these doctors was the Addiction Specialist for the Denver Nuggest NBA team. So people, be my guest, don't believe us, believe these amateurs, go for it! Take some good, strong, full agonist opioids like Fentanyl, Oxys. (not a Percocet, which is a LOT of Tylenol) Take your dose and then wait about an hour or two, and pop about 12, maybe 16 mgs of Subutex....please, by all means! I would LOVE to hear how that went for you! Ridiculous.

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TASH, DJTRU: You are both misinformed. MAYBE you were on a small dose of Subutex and pain meds, MAYBE. But no, you can't just "mix Subutex and pain meds". Where are you getting your information? Subutex is not what they "give people who are still on pain meds"....what would even be the point of that? When starting Suboxone OR Subutex, you need to be completely clean from all other opioids. Buprenorphine itself IS a "blocker", for lack of any of you using the proper terms. Go take some opioids, then take a couple Subutex, then get back to me. Now as I said, if you are on a fairly small dose of both; first, these meds will leave your body quicker if on a lower dose, and second, Subutex not having the Naloxone will be less likely to throw you into complete and total precips, again if taking a small amount of Subutex and/or pain meds. But BUPRENORPHINE ITSELF is not a "typical agonist opioid", and is in fact an opioid ANTAGONIST, which have such a major binding affinity for your opioid receptors, it will completely and totally knock any and all agonist opioids off of said receptors and throw you into a s*** show. You don't have to believe me, it is just a FACT. It's not about the "blocker" (naloxone), it's about the Bupe ITSELF. The main reason naloxone is even in Suboxone is to keep people from taking it intravenously. All you *****s telling everyone that its ok to use Bupe with opioids are going to throw someone into a BAD RATTLE. But I suppose if anyone is stupid enough to believe you people, then that's on them.

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Thanks kkh addiction is a beast and we are warriors to survive I do know some who request pill form or the subutex so they can use and you are so right it will be a very hard lesson learned for them the bupe its self will throw the precips on ya .I wasn't always so emotional on this subject but this is a vwry serious thing unfortunately many who dont know about addiction except what they read or perceive on their own wont understand until it rears its ugly head close to home I wouldnt with that on anyone but bottom line approximate wait time is 48 hours before you can use ANY opiate / pharmaceutical or street form after ANY bupe based drug. But even then I wouldnt recomend it everyones metabolism is different .. so nice talking with someone who takes this serios to n thank you for the good thoughts. God bless

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JAMES: Yes, it may not be as extreme with Subutex as with Suboxone because of the Naloxone not being in the Subutex (although it was pretty extreme for me) but it is more about the binding affinity of the Bupe than the Naloxone anyway. I just get so sick of seeing people who have no clue, on here talking about "you are fine without the Nalxone" etc. NO, no you are not. Or saying that if a person wants Subutex rather than Suboxone, it is only because they want to "keep using". You cant keep using with Subutex; believe me, I tried.

I am sorry your child is having trouble. I wouldn't wish this life on anyone. And as you said, it is truly a shame that not all people on ORTs take it completely seriously. But that, unfortunately, is the nature of the beast with addiction, ESPECIALLY opioid addiction, since it is so physical. Good luck to you and your child.

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Kkh absolutely either can put you in withdrawal you have a little more leway with the subutex but like you I dont recommend taking anything with either im on suboxone now but I have a grown child who is on every and I mean every WAIT LIST within a 100 mile radius to get help with her addiction. it kills me when I hear people asking how long after they take their suboxone or subutex they have to wait to take their percs or opana. guys if your getting it legit and still using with no inclination to stop and are just using it to fill in the sicks or to fund your use step aside and let someone in who is trying to get a grip on life. I get so upset over this. I sit in my drs office and hear other patients talking and swapping info, making deals n such. those dont deserve a spot in a program. trying not to be judgemental but I know many addicts, very few of which are happy to be that way and we all make bad choices addicts or not but seem there's many out there who take up space in these clinics and ruin things for serious ones who seek help.. sorry bout the rant kkh. I do not disagree with you at all, you are absolutely correct.. it just makes no sense to me to mix any type of opiate with suboxone, subutex, or zubsolv (I think that's how its spelled) bupe is for recovery. And in some cases chronic pain conditions. God bless n lets hope the world opens its eyes and better accepts and understands this horrible disease of addiction.

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JAMES: You CAN'T "take whatever" with Subutex but not Suboxone. Subutex will throw you into precipitated withdrawals, just like Suboxone will. The buprenorphine itself is the problem (the active opioid ingredient in both Subutex and Subuxone). The binding affinity of the buprenorphine will knock any and all opioids off of your receptors, whether the Naloxone is in there or not. So if you want to risk going into a really bad rattle, don't believe me. Anyone who is saying you can take opioids and Subutex together is probably on a very low dose of both, or doesn't know what they are talking about The Naloxone is in Suboxone to keep people from taking it intravenously. I PERSONALLY went into precipitated withdrawals when taking Subutex too close to opiates. NOT SUBOXONE, SUBUTEX!! I NEVER want that to happen again!

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No offense to anyone but I just dont see the reasoning behind taking an opiate with either of these key words are USED FOR GETTING OFF OPIOIDS seems to not make sense naloxone or not n yes theoretically you can take what ever with the subutex and not with suboxone but WHY???? If your in a program that prescribes one of these and your taking opiates then please connsider stepping aside till your READY and make room someone who is seeing how our great caring government only alows drs to treat 100 patients at a time theirs many who would not even consider mixing them god bless n I apologize for sounding so abrupt its a touchy subject thanks all

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Tash Says:
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You can take your pain meds with the subutex without going into withdraws..subutex is what they give people who are still withdrawing from ops and still have the drug in their system because it's safe .don't take them with suboxone. I've been prescribed both ( at different times) for years and have mixed pain meds with the subutex. A lot of people are misinformed. The only thing about mixing the two (subutex and percs.) is that you'll have to take more percs. to feel anything. Hope this helps someone.

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DJTRU: And the only reason the "blocker" is in there is to stop people from injecting the buprenorphine. Anyone who thinks a person can "still use opioids" while on Subutex is sadly misinformed.

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Dj Tru Says:
 
Thank you!!!! Finally someone with the correct info.... Subutex does not have a blocker Suboxone does End of story...

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kkh Says:
 
ZACH: I have been on opioids for 30 plus years. I am not easily offended! No problem whatsoever.

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kkh: I hope you weren't offended by my previous post. That wasn't my intention. Personally, I think we need more people like you posting information on here so the less knowledgeable readers can receive honest and accurate answers. Maybe I was mistaken when I thought you were posting info in an effort to deter people from using. I apologize for any miscommunication.

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ZACH: I can only speak for myself, but I am on here to help people from my own knowledge and experience and that's it, really. As a 30 year+ opioid addict, I have been through a LOT, as well as having been premed, subscribing to medical journals, and regularly researching many different medical/scientific subjects. And I am certainly no one to judge a person choices. Nothing I post on here is ever purposely misleading, and whether a person is using something legally or illegally.....this is really not my business. I might bust your chops a little :) but in no way would I try to talk anyone into or out of their choices, as long as the person is being safe. If I can help, I will.

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Zach Says:
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I see what you mean and I applaud you for having a big heart and showing concern for other addicts, but we come here looking for answers and only answers. I doubt you would, but it would be wrong to mislead them in an effort to deter them from using their drug of choice. There are other platforms for that. But like I said, I know it comes from a good place in your heart.

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ME: I've done PLENTY of research, as well as having been on Subutex. (that's actually how it's spelled) Sure you CAN take them together, but you won't like the results. Maybe if you take a TINY amount of each, really far apart. MAYBE. So you can shove your attitude.

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kkh Says:
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ME: I've done PLENTY of research, as well as having been on Subutex. (that's actually how it's spelled) Sure you CAN take them together, but you won't like the results.

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me Says:
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You can take perc with Subtext. Do your research before you comment

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