Taking Subutex And Percocet Together (Page 18)

My doctor just put me on subutex along with percocet. I've been on percocet for yrs for severe and chronic migraines. He told me to take the subutex and if it doesn't work to take a percocet. I usually take 15 mg percocet at a time. I've read some stuff online that worries me. Some people say if you take percs with subutex you'll go into withdrawals. I went through severe withdrawals with fioricet months ago and I don't want to go through that hell again. I took my first subutex about an hour ago and I still have a migraine so I want to take a perc now. Can I do that or will I get sick?

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You should be fine. Subtext doesn't have blocking agent suboxone does. Wait at least an hour though

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GARBAGEHEAD: You are wrong. The buprenorphine itself IS the "blocking agent". It's unreal to me how many people get this wrong.

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I have been on 24 mg of Subutex for 4 1/2 years now... Before I started taking it regularly, someone gave me one to try because I told her I was going to in withdraws from pain pills soon (30 mg roxy's).. I told her I hadn't had one simple the night before (about 12 to 14 hours) when really I had a quarter of a roxy that morning.. stupidest lie I've EVER told.. I thought I was going to die, literally! I was sick all day long..
Fast forward a little while and I started going to my first Sub clinic and taking subutex. I had (honestly) not had a pain pill in about 12 hours. The doctor was still worried about sending me into withdraws and only let me take a half of an 8 mg subutex at a time while I stayed in the clinic to be observed for a few hours. I finally finished the 3 subs and didn't get sick at all.. I did NOT however, change my behaviors because I thought the sub was supposed to be a "miracle drug" I guess and I started taking subutex in the mornings and Roxy 15's (up to 2 a day) in the evenings every day.. didn't get sick but didn't feel them either unless I took 2. Finally got a good counselor and changed my behaviors surrounding my addiction and was able to drop the pain pills completly after about the first 2 weeks at the clinic...
Fast forward a few years and I was in the hospital after giving birth to a child and in a lot of pain.. the first day I didn't take anything except my subutex. The second day I finally accepted their offer of a percocet because I couldn't handle it.. it worked great.. and I didn't get sick.. gave me energy too...
Fast forward a couple more years and I just had a miscarriage (still on 24 mg subutex) and have tried IR Oxycodone 5 mgs and Oxycontin 10's.. neither have helped at all...
I'm miserable.
So yes I think it may be that you have just been taking them so long now...
Btw: I know 2 people that are prescribed Subutex AND Roxy's AND one is also prescribed Xanax on top of those 2 things... so I didn't even realize it was that uncommon until reading these comments. When I first started taking subutex I thought you had to be off pain pills or coming off to get the subutex prescribed, but nope you dont.. hmm.. still sounds odd to me but that's just because I'm an addict and if I would have kept taking pain pills while I was trying to get treatment for my pain pill addiction, I would have stopped going to treatment altogether very shortly.

Best of luck to all!

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MOMMY: Are these people being prescribed Roxys AND Subs by the same doctor? Because that is completely unscrupulous. Precipitated withdrawals aside, why would you even put someone on Subs when they are still taking pain pills? That just seems really WRONG.

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For real I take subutex with opiates almost daily. Right now I'm prescribed Percocet fives and believe me you can mix the two and feel both without going into withdrawal. Only downside is it takes more of the percs or any other pk to get the desired effects. But the last time I filled my script I took 12.5 Percocet throughout the day along with about a mg of subutex and the Percocet definitely worked. Subutex on its own does almost nothing to me anymore except keep me feeling normal.

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JR1ZZLE: The only reason you are able to take the two together is because you are only taking 1 milligram of Subutex. One milligram wouldn't even TOUCH me when I was using Subs. Hell, TEN milligrams wouldn't touch me. When I went into Precipitated Withdrawals, it was from taking 16 mg of Subutex too soon after taking opioids. One milligram is certainly nowhere near enough to thoroughly coat your receptors if you are already a using opioid addict. I have never even heard of anyone being on such a low dose of Subs. I am wondering why you would even take Subs along with pain killers. What's the point? Are you trying to PURPOSELY not feel the Painkillers? I really am curious.

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I've taken subutex and roxicodone 30 mg together everyday for the past year. I did not experience side effects or withdrawal feelings whatsoever.

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THERUGBYDUDE: If you want us to believe that you are taking 30 mgs of Subutex soon after taking full-agonist opioids without any symptoms....well, that's not going to happen. It isn't possible. SCIENTIFICALLY not possible, not my opinion. In fact, my friend who is an M.D./Addiction Specialist is shaking his head as I write this. MAYBE if you were taking a very low dose of each, many hours apart. 30mgs of Subutex is almost the ceiling dose. 30 mgs of Bupe will so completely coat your receptors, NO full agonist opioids are getting in there. No offense, really, but not gonna happen.

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I'm been on percets for year, taking six a day. The doctor will not give me more cause he feels I'm becoming addicted so he decided to give me 2mg of suboxone with my percocets. So I take my suboxone first then an hour later take my perc. Well I be at work spinning guts ripping apart feeling like s***ting my pants. Well I'm feeling like hurling. Fun part is the percocets are cheaper and they work with my system but I really believe it's all a money game, The doctors said after two weeks we will take u off the suboxone but we can't increase your perc cause you will become addicted. That's funny, I've been on it for two years. Hell, no way I could be hooked, but ya cheapest pill ever. 42 perc costs 17 dollars and 4 2mg suboxone costs 20. Why the ***k is the narcotic cheaper than the fix to get off the ***ing white devil? I told doc I want a surgery on my back and pretty much said when you start s***ting your pants and pissing yourself then we will do a surgery. It's a ***ed up world.

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WHITE TEAKY: Wow, it really is amazing to me how many doctors out there seem to completely clueless. He/she is giving you opioids, and then at the same time, giving you medication to BLOCK the opioids. Does that make sense to you? That percocet is not going to do a friggin thing with an opioid blocker like Buprenorphine (the main active ingredient in Suboxone) in your system. It's no wonder you feel like crap. I would be completely shocked if you DIDN'T feel like crap. You need to be taking one or the other, because as you probably now realize, it is completely counterproductive to take both. I don't usually tell people on here what to do in their personal lives, but I would run from that incompetent quack and get a different doctor ASAP. That doctor obviously doesn't know how to prescribe Suboxone. Un flippin real.

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Why would up even post that on this forum? Smh...u do realize this is a drug forum and not one about painting or hobbies...

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This shouldn't happen. Subutex or Suboxone strips only send you into precipitated, rapid withdrawal if it's the other way around. Such as if someone has been taking a lot of opiates, & than takes a Suboxone strip or Subutex pill before 24-72 hours have passed. The Subs kick the opiates out of the opiate receptor sites, and send the person into very severe, precipitated withdrawal. If on Subutex pills, (which doesn't have the full Naloxone blocker like the strips), or even if taking the Suboxone strips, the only thing that will happen if you take real opiates is that the real opiates prob won't work. This is worse for the Suboxone strips, because they have the full-blown Naloxone opiate blocker in them (like Narcan, which is what they give to opiate overdosers in the hospital). It stops the person from respiratory death, but also causes severe withdrawal if the person is conscious. Even though the Subutex pills don't have the same Naloxone opiate blocker in them, they still do block opiates from working. Just not as bad. If you can tolerate not taking the subs or Subutex for at least 24-48 hours, opiates should work. (Unless your tolerance is so high from things like Roxicodone, Opana, Dilaudid, etc...then opiates like basic Percs may not work at all, despite how long you have been off of subs). When I got on Roxicodone, Lortab and Percocet no longer worked for me. Dunno about now, I haven't taken Roxie in 3 1/2 years. I have only been on the Subutex pills since then, and have not yet attempted to take a regular opiate. But yes, it is the other way around. If you are taking opiates, and you do not wait the 24 to 72 hours before taking any kind of sub, that is when you will go into severe withdrawal. I wonder if Lortab and Percocet will ever work for me again. There is a phenomenon where someone could be 25 years clean, and the day they relapse, from any drug or alcohol…they go right back to how much they were using the day they stopped. They don't work their way up again; the brain remembers. An alcoholic could be sober 30 years, & the day he/she relapses, he will drink 40 bested, or whatever he was drinking 30 years prior. If I were to start Roxie again (NEVER), I would go right back to what I was taking before.

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Lol everyine has a different effect to this I know injecting either the tex or box iv will bypass the narcan and subutex has no nolaxone in it so I promise you didnt get sick from mixing it with opiates your gonna be really high especially mixed with a benzo I know from everyday experience. So alot people here are plum foolish if u got sick when you did have it mixed if u take more of the stripes the subonoxe will out do the other basically if u get dope sick from taking it. Take more cause your body has to be treated for the amount that witch you would abise simple science here

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That's not entirely true and that's how I've lost a few friends. When they relapsed they tried to take their usual dose which was entirely too much.

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DEEK: You can't "promise" anything, because you are just wrong. The BUPRENORPHINE ITSELF is an "opiate block", to you everyone's over-simplified terminology. Go ahead, I dare ya....do some really good, strong opioids, wait about an hour, maybe two, then take about 16 mgs of Subutex and then get back to me. Yet another person who thinks the Naloxone is the only thing that can send you into precips. The DRUG ITSELF is a partial antagonist, which is why it sends you into precips. Your "simple science" is so flawed, it's laughable.

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I never said it wasn't a blocked it's self and I have done what u said to-do plenty tines every reacts different. Back to simple science do one or the other. And u get sick take more and watch the withdrawal go away fast. I've lived it pal

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I've been reading all these posts and don't quite understand everything. I am prescribed 30 mg oxy 3 x day. I have addiction issues basically cause I've been on these meds for 7 years. Because I tend to take too many, my bf took my script when he went out of town and only left my prescribed dose. Well of course I ran out, but I have an 8 mg bupe. If I take a tiny piece of it will I get deathly I'll?

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Also wanted to say I just had a nerve block Thursday so I feel worse than normal. AND I wish I didn't have to take meds because I know I'm using recreationally as well ad medically at this point. None of that matters, just nice being able to post to people who understand.

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DEEK: I've not only lived it (30+ year opioid addict as well as med student/researcher), I've researched it and have had my fellow addiction specialists laugh at it. As for the rest of your response, maybe you could re-write it and actually make it coherent this time, because I have no idea what any of that means. As far as your previous post, I sincerely hope no one on here takes your bad advice.

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Yes, this is correct. When I was severely abusing Roxicodone, I chose to go to rehab. They kicked me out of one rehab (due to an insurance glitch), and sent me to a detox hospital in the hood. I saw a pediatrician- I had to pay him $500 in cash because he was out of network. They had no doctors. They were completely unaware (on an addictions/detox unit), of precipitated withdrawal. I was pursing my lips, refusing to take 24 mg of Subutex pills. They forced me, and I went into the worst withdrawal I had ever been in before. (I had taken strips many times after running out of Roxicodone, & always waited the 24-72 hours). However, people abuse Subutex pills more than strips. And I do think that the Naloxone blocker is stronger. When I used to take strips, I had to wait longer for opiates to work once I got them. With the Subutex pills, opiates worked much faster afterwards. But yes, BOTH send you into rapid withdrawal...

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