Suboxone Wd's

I'm on day four of no subs after a 24 mg a day treatment for pain and addiction. I wish i never touched the stuff. My pain management doc reccommended them to me after a year long perc and vic habit. I wish i just would of suffered throught the few days of WD from that instead of going on subs. THEY DID GIVE ME MY LIFE BACK. BUT!!!! They are very very very hard to let go of. The WD is not as intense as dope sick but it is drawn out and mostly mental. The first week is achey and pissed off. I know that because thats how far i got before then started subs again. I'm on day four trying again. I got some valium this time to help me throught the worst of it so I'm hoping I will win the battle this time. I'm at work today and i'm an emt and i'm getting through on energy drinks and water. I'll eat a valium and go to bed when i get home. Hopefully by this time by next week I will be feeling better but this s*** seems to drag out forever. I will try exercising and natural remedies. I had my wife hide my last three subs and just in case i'm on the verge of suicide i'll beg her for one. I feel like s*** but i also feel like i'm done with it. I made it through my work day at least so its not as bad as dopesick. Anyway my advice to anyone thinking about starting the suboxone program is: Don't do it unless you are on oxys or heroin or some other super potent ope. If you are just hooked to percs or vics or any other pill like that then just tough that s*** out. THe WD is worse but its shorter. Sub WD is long dull and a pain in the....well....everywhere. It is mostly mental. On the plus side i am not really jonesing for any opes im just wanting this to be over soon as possible. If anyone has advice for me then hit me back. I am only taking the valium as needed i'm not about to trade another drug for another for another for another which seems to be my pattern. Anyway f*** opiates, and good luck to all of you fighting this disease.

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Note that Ray is in day 4 of withdrawal... as a recovering psychiatrist who treats opiate addicts, I find that every addict in withdrawal considers their current withdrawal to be the worst. I remember my own withdrawal from opiate agonists (I was an anesthesiologist at the time)-- to get me off them required a locked psych ward. I couldn't even walk for three days-- I was too weak from the constant vomiting, diarrhea, and leg movements that kept me from getting even close to sleep. I would become exhausted walking over 100 feet for the next month, and I was a healthy, 40-yr-old man when it began.

The people that write about how hard it was to get themselves off Suboxone forget that it was IMPOSSIBLE for them to get off anything else! They started Suboxone because life was horrible, and they repeatedly failed getting off opiates... now they can actually take themselves off Suboxone, but complain that it should be easier!

My advice to Ray and others in his shoes is to stay on buprenorphine. Opiate dependence is a life-long condition. Yes, it can be treated by recovery and 12-step meetings-- that is what I did and do-- but that requires meetings, meetings, and more meetings, and people who stop meetings almost always return to using. My relapse after my first treatment took 8 years to happen, long after I thought I had been 'cured'. When it happened, it took everything I had-- my friendships, my career, my money, my home.

I explain why the 'drug for a drug' argument misses the point on my blog. Suboxone isn't just another opiate-- it has unique actions at the receptor that put addiction-- the obsession tp use-- into remission. The ironic thing about people making the 'drug for a drug' comment is that every opiate had better replace their addiction with SOMETHING. There are not many fatal diseases out there that can be treated simply by wishing it away!

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I have been on Suboxone for 30 days. I am no longer prescribed Suboxone. Because I missed one mtg. I am scared as hell regarding the withdrawls. I am ready to go back on pain killers. I was taking 8 mgs of Suboxone per day. What I am to expect?

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Ray-I guess I kind of wonder why you dont taper a little. it would make it quit a bit easier. It is a marathon not a 100 meter dash.And for jules I would advise lining up a new doc. But it probaly wont be that bad because you have not been on them that long.

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