Methadone Pure Evil

I have been reading all these posts and was blown away by all these people seeking methadone.ok here we go ,I was on 80 mgs going to the clinic every day for 8 years.when your in a opiate fog 8 years go by real fast.One day I did not have my weekly payment(which is all my clinic cared about,never asked how are you)so I decided to detox cold turkey from 80 mgs to nothing. Now I've quit H twice in my life but methadone, nothing can compare to the agony and despair that is methadone withdrawal. Let's start with acute withdrawal symptoms which lasted approximately 20 days bedridden,complete lack of sleep for 14 days, leg pain (worst part "kicking the habit") vomiting ,chills,sweats,basically every way you can suffer.Once you start to feel physically better then comes paws(post acute withdrawal symptoms).Now this is the most important part,letting the fog lift and adjusting to sobriety.But (really big but) you are going to be on an emotional rollercoaster due to the lack of endorphins which methadone provided for so long.It's a bad place to be in,depression,guilt everything that was taken for granted comes rushing back.Eds can last for months.All that being said I just want to say it gets better,much better.Methadone is a powerful depressant it changes who you are and when your clean you become yourself again,your true self,you will enjoy life again. In closing I hope I have dissuaded anyone seeking methadone maintenance from going down that road, or encouraged anyone that has said enough.

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Thank you very much for sharing your experience! I'm sure it will help many others.

The problem with Methadone is that many people never beat the cravings and aren't ever able to get off of it. They end up requiring a lifetime maintenance dose of it.

This is a narcotic, so it has the potential to be habit forming and may cause side effects, such as nausea, dizziness, drowsiness, dry mouth and constipation.

Is there anything I can help with?

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Thanks for replying,and you know what you have already helped.A lot of people do not know what they are getting into when they begin methadone "maintenance" .Just like you said,people end up using it all their lives and that's what really irks me,so much in fact that as soon as I recovered I went to my old clinic and asked my former counselor if he believed he was helping people .we got into a debate and finally the truth,I equated going to the clinic was like going to the dope spot every morning,his response"yes but it's cheaper"debate over.It saddens me to see all these lost souls trapped in such a vicious cycle. Thanks. IF you don't mind me asking,what's your background.

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The problem for all western governments is that they are overridingly influenced by the ultra-financially powerful pharmaceutical. So much so that they control government policy on hard drug treatments and where of course they supply methadone et al that provides billions of dollars in revenues. But they don't care about the harm that this treatment does and only look at the bottom-line. That is why this maintenance treatment policy goes on infinitum as it creates vast profits for big pharma. Indeed governments go out to supress all information concerning a 'cure' for these terrible treatment drugs that enslave addicts for life through dependency. There is no humanity in this form of treatment only profits as addicts spend a lifetime on treatments that are more addictive than the drugs they purportedly try to eradicate. But wouldn't be good for once that a western government did something out of the ordinary and stopped supporting big pharma and introduced a 'cure' that is available at a cost of a mere 10% of present treatment regimes. Then addicts would come off hard drugs for good and thereafter lead a normal life in society and give something back. But will a single western government rebel against the powerful pharmaceutical cartel, I very much doubt it as they have our politicians and leaders in their back pocket. That is what is called democracy where big business rules supreme. For an introduction of what is going on and the 'cure' that is available readers should visit - worldinnovationfoundation.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/what-successive-governments-and.html

Dr D. Hill
Chief Executive
World Innovation Foundation

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Well, The bottom line it works, right it worked for you until you decided to get off it! A really addict doesn't stop, because they just couldn't afford it (methodone or drugs it self). You were there long enough to know and help build up the drive to quit. That's wonderful whenever I hear a person overcoming the addiction. The truth is most people are not able to do what you did, that is to overcome. If there's a clinic to keep people off the streets buy illegal drugs, and taking a chance to kill them self, I would choice a clinic anyday.

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Wow,could not have said it better myself. Drugs illicit or otherwise have always been used as a method for societal control from tobacco, alcohol (native Americans). The British opium monopoly in China. Vietnam, H, crack in America's ghettos etc.

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Worked,depends on your definition of the word. If you consider trading a1 year H habit for an 8 year methadone habit, yeah it worked alright. As far as using illicit drugs, I don't know where your from but the clinics in chicago are where all the action is. I saw the same people day in day out, which means they were dropping dirty and obviously still using. And yes, I've seen quite a few people kill themselves, mixing benzodiazepines with methadone. Trading up there pill habits for H. You could say they all made there own beds,but if you put an addict in that type of environment they are going to succumb to temptation every time.

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NO 'cold Turkey' either and that is why hard drug addicts in Vietnam come off hard drugs as it is an easy process. In this respect I have witnessed the treatment over a week in a clinic outside Hanoi. On the Monday the addict comes into the clinic usually with their family. The treatment takes four days and where during that detoxification period the patient sleeps, just interrupted by further doses of the medication. As the cure is not addictive as it is from plant extracts, it is perfectly safe. Medical doctors (educated in traditional medicines and western medicines as a great deal of Vietnamese scientists/doctors are educated in Germany et al) are in attendance throughout the treatment with support from nurses. On the Friday the former long-term drug addict is discharged from the clinic and is kept on a smaller doses for a further 6 months and which is administered by the family so that there is no relapse into hard drug addiction. The costs is a fraction of western treatments and cures. Unfortunately there is a dichotomy here as treatment and not cures is the driving force in western nations as if they constantly cured, there would be no need for such a clinical approach - it would kill off the industry to a great extent and that is why western governments and the treatment industry do not want this 'cure' to be introduced.

Dr David Hill
Chief Executive
World Innovation Foundation

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DR HILL..No offense but a cure for drug addiction,I just can not accept that.I believe no matter how you quit,rapid detox,cold turkey whatever,There is the potential for relapse .Drug addicts after getting clean have a difficult time adjusting to the mundaness of life and return to what they know best,so you can not use the word cure lightly. Can the psychological effects that one suffers after quitting be cured? I don't mean to sound cynical and I appreciate your passion on this topic. Cold turkey is hard but It worked for me I relished the pain, it reminded and motivated to stay clean. It was a transcendental experience. Thank you.

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Found everything you said to be true tho I have one question ive been off methadone for two months been on it for 14 years an it took me a year from 70 to nothing now its been two months I wondering when my bowls might firm up

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I have withdrawn twice from Oxy 30 mg. 45mg a day. I used it for stress. That's not a lot you might say. For me it balanced me out and I felt like I could deal. The problem is, you really aren't dealing. Anyway, I stepped it down to 7.5 mg then 3.25 mg cutting a pill with a blade. Then off. I got a very mild amount is all the classic withdrawal.

This third and last time a friend gave me 30 tabs of 10mg Methadone. I was on my 45mg daily dose of Oxy, decided I needed to clean up because I wanted to be sharper. I started with 10mg a day Methadone. Then 5 then 2.5. When the last quarter of a pill was gone that was it ... Hell no that wasn't it... The next day was evil. I might as will gone cold turkey off 60mg of Oxy. The worst thing has been severe depression with thoughts of suicide. I'm in day 4 going on day five and every day is worse. How do you go from 2.5 to cold and have it feel this bad. I want everyone to know Methadone is evil, poison, man made draino in a pill.. Who ever invented methadone did it to hook people forever. Methadone needs to be banned. The argument that it's better and less addictive is a total lie. If you are on opiates imho step down with your drug and off the bus at a tiny dose ... Please everyone, even with my baby habit I'm messed up with the withdrawal effects of Methadone. Please don't use it. Opiates are "natural" if you will... Methadone is fake man-made evil stuff ... My heart started skipping beats during use and now in withdrawal. I so want to say 4 letter words to describe it. Be safe. I hope I helped. I can't even imagine the hell you are facing with a real normal size Methadone dosage.

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When you first start MMT, it's an amazing feeling. You go to a clinic that's clean, legal, and much much more affordable compared to what you were paying to score on the streets. Life becomes manageable and you become productive again. However, it became my ball and chain- my master. There's nothing worse than methadone withdrawal and in order to prevent that hell, you will stay on it for life. I quit cold turkey once I went from 260mg to 5mg after 3 years of MMT. I didn't sleep for 2 months straight b/c of the RLS, cell receptors felt like they were on fire, and the intense flu like symptoms. Sleep came back in 1-2hr increments and at 1 year later, I was finally sleeping 6-8hrs at night. As I was able to sleep more, the other symptoms finally started to decrease and I was getting energy back. It took a year to feel normal again. A YEAR.

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Methadone is pure evil. It was invented by Hitler to get his troops off opium. I have withdraw from a 60 mg oxy habit 3 times. That was uncomfortable but it can be done, experiencing the usual withdraw that everyone talks about. BUT, Methadone is a whole different level of evil. I was given only 20 pills,10mg each. I took them for 25 days. I stepped down to 5mgs the last five days. It was hell withdrawing from Methadone. It felt like the front of my brain was missing. All the bad emotions came out. I can tell you 100 percent that Methadone is used in programs for opiate replacement because the drug companies know it's next to impossible to come off Methadone. They are converting opiate users to Methadone users for pure profit. Anyone who wants off opiates should get a doctor to step them down with an Oxy or Vicodin. It's way cleaner than this rat poison called Methadone. I actually felt poisoned coming off Methadone. I'm here to call BS on the Methadone program. The only thing the drug companies and clinics are maintaining are their bank accounts.

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I just want to say that I've been doing the methadone maintenance for 9mos. And I feel I finally have my life back. I injured my back when I was 22years old, and the next 10years were definitely a "blur". My sons entire childhood was a roller coaster of me being in bed or (okay we will do that; as soon as I get my medication again) I missed so much because of events sometimes falling a couple days before my refill. Of course my pills never lasted as long as they were supposed to. I hate myself for this. I wish more than anything I had found out about methadone maintenance long before I did. I never considered rehab because I was in so much pain I didn't even know about methadone maintenance I thought it was just for opiate addicts. I didn't want to risk loosing my pain meds so I never got any help. Now that I'm on my daily dose of 120mgs of methadone (that I have to drive 15miles to get every morning before 11am) my life is finally getting on track. I am able to do things with my family, I was able to start working again. I don't have the extreme highs or the extreme lows I just wake up each day thankful that I don't have to go count my pills or try to find where I stashed some. I can't even put into words how much the pills, ran my life. literally EVERYTHING depended on my pills before and now the methadone doesn't run my life (its not the first thing I think about each day) the methadone is just a tool that helps me live my life instead of being my entire life-its hard t describe the difference unless you hve lived each way of life. My husband has always hated how my pills made me act ("cracked out" his way of describing me when I had too many) And when I suggested the methadone maintenance he was dead set against it the cost was $65 per week, which was not covered by insurance. So this was going to be $260 a month to go to a `legal drug dealer` in my husbands words. But after 2 weeks he said that he would happily pay for me to continue as long as I needed. he said the difference in me was shocking. he felt he had his wife back after all these years. my teenage son agreed that I was like a normal person again.

I know that the best thing would be would be for me to be totally drug free. and that still is my ultimate goal. But for the time being, I'm so thankful I found something that has gave my life back.I just wish I had found it years ago. I feel that I felt so much guilt for how much the pills had ruined my life, but also such much fear of how to live without the pills that it kept me from seeking any help. That ALL OR NOTHING type of thinking is what stops many people from exploring different types and especially this type of recovery program. I just wanted to share my experience-in NO WAY do I believe this is true for everyone.

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Sobriety
Is overrated,
To say that
Sadly the doc has it right I'm one that has seen a lot of just plain wrong by docs just wanting paid. Like the rap song F u pay me.
Well.
In a different setting or even life time the injuries that cause useage hasn't been discussed at all. Wow. Someone would get to be an addict for the hell of it. I've went too many years in pain And aggrevation to give up the assistance I get from my pain doc.
Ya see. Physical therapy and surgery only does so much.

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