Endocet Vs Oxycodone (Page 6)

I HAVE BEEN ON OXYCODONE FOR OVER 2 YEARS AND MY DRUG STORE RAN OUT AND GAVE ME ENDOCET? SAID IT WAS THE SAME THING BUT MY BODY TELLS ME THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME. HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS CHANGE?

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You have no idea of WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT HERE. You are speaking of two TOTALLY DIFFERENT DRUGS, yet an ingredient in Endocet is oxycodone it also has Tylenol. It's made by the same manufacturer of the brand name & it's very equivalent in it's pain relieving properties. Sucks that it has to be addictive & that is what scares me yet only Brand that helps me. To much hassle in pure Oxycodone & it's just overall not looked upon any longer but as a substance of abuse,& these same little Scums of life are going to ruin it for the millions whom suffer from chronic pain from many different ailments. No one should have to be in excruciating pain in a society that can eliminate that kind of suffering. It can make some learn to do things that we stopped doing, now is that good or bad, all in moderation as it's said. Peace out now youngins!

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Reply to dauhtucanstop' sorry on spelling but the other person is correct. When the say that being it's less, well it's both right & wrong, wrong in ethics & indeed can be hard to understand. If you get your hands on a name brand bottle it says the same thing * equivalent to 8.9637. Yes the are actually using less of Oxycodone only a milligram but if you take over 5-6 a day it adds up & it's sort of a tricky lil pickle that they're doing, you the the HCL., part after oxycodone is very much needed to complete the delivery of the pills properties, ( pain ) & the fact is, by adding the salt to the finished product is not fair. A good example that even got me was that if you look at lortab 10/325 by the same company being endo or vintage pharmacuticals, & this is hydrocodone & it's not mixed w/ an HCL., instead w/ a bicarbonate, & the bottle from the company says 10 Mg of hydrocodone bitartrate. So thus it's an acid & not a salt, regardless they must use it as well to activate the hydrocodone like the HCL does for the oxycodone. If they did this & made hydrocodone HCL., it would be much stronger & more natural, as it's more structured like morphine & oxy well it's a great pain killer, just feels fake & more synthetic ( I know it's made using poppy Thebaine. I'm currently about to graduate in chemistry w/ my major in medicine. I think the issue is that of greed & also the Government playing w/ & regulating our medicines. This so called drug war has long failed & needs to end. Pills are killing more people than H here in the south & it's both sad & not good for all us true pain patients. I personally am grateful to even have relief & monies for now to cover my meds., I ask for endocet by name. It's a much better quality generic & trust me since this medicine is likely made in large raw forms & pressed into pills, I'm sure they make one batch not two & sprinkle a lil more oxy on the others. I will say that they should not include the salt in the weight of what we get the 10mg prescribed for. I hope this helps some to see & understand better, talk w/ your doctor over it & show them if the pharmacy will give you the bottles & it will be good to show the doctors that are unaware of this & mine being a excellent & very caring & nuturing doc, said she herself thought it should not be, we checked on all major FDA allowed makers of this medication & they have the same, but again fillers & junk can actually be up to 40% & it's the active ingredient that is allowed a 20% bioavailability to the 8.9673, so
I'm sticking w/ what works as should others. I wish you good luck, I'm typing this w/ my hands & their old & arthritic, so good luck to all, smoke a lil after it helps to, especially the spasms.

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To Zgglof: I called & talked to the company that makes the endocet for Endo pharmaceuticals ( Vintage Pharma.) & they have listed in their side effects not listed on paper you get from the pharmacy, THAT IT CAUSES GASTRO INTESTINAL ISSUES. so NO, unfortunately your not wrong. All you people on here talk like endocet is a pure form of oxycodone & it amazes me how DUMB all you junkies are, or either none of you even understand your own complaints, I mean read your posts again your comparing pure oxycodone to Percoset or it's generic. Stay off pills unless you need them. I'm going to have to pay & suffer from chronic degenerative pain while you all are getting your drugs off the street. Cant you just smoke a joint or something? Please don't ruin it for us patients that really need it. Peace

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To:@ Jojo
Not all genetics have the same in active ingredients my friend, this part of you message was the only incorrect part. Endo pharmacuticals actually has the least amount of fillers & inactive ingredients than any other brands, being I'm likely going above most of all of you peoples education level here, I will simply use the example " name brand percoset as opposed to generic Watson brand percoset, their is no dye's in those & also WATSON is no longer, I would still be on Norcos from Watson if they were, yes they still say Watson, but anneal bought them out & as of this last early winter if 2013, they took out the dye only, but us chronic pain patients know better, & being one whom suffers from bad chronic pain the difference was night & day & that month was a very long & painful month. Actavis bought out Watson & also moved to Ireland to avoid paying taxes in the US. I got in touch w/ them during my month of taking the new Actavis made ones & even their pharmacist said the likely didn't study the formula long enough before it's release. This is a big topic online & as well on the same site ( check Watson Morgan formula change ) very sad as I never wanted to go up to oxycodone, feels more like a synthetic drug, being it's actually only a partial agonist, as opposed to hydrocodone, due to it's metabolization by the liver into hydromorphone. This is my first month on Percoset & I get whatever generic is available, & mg. Per mg., it's a better overall pain medicine & doesn't make you all spaced out. So next time your thinking your getting Watson product(s) be sure to think again. Stay away from them, as any company that will move out of the US to skip on paying taxes will certainly skip us on our meds., but they also said that they were told by the FDA & DEA to make the change, if something works & has for years you don't change it, again if it were only the dye the millions that know what I'm speaking of would not be complaining. You see the war on drugs has failed, I believe it never was suppose to have been a winner, just a way to control our bodies & minds, now the new war is on the people whom suffer from chronic pain & also those of us whom love our country & the constitution that made us the great nation we are, but if we continue to let them poison our foods, plan false flag operations to create wars, & to continue to destroy our rights, we will soon be Obamas puppets & all live in FEMA camps. We need to take this country back just like we did w/ the Europeans & by this government shut down BS, it's only to try & make us feel & no " JUST HOW MUCH WE NEED THEM" & if the shut hits the fan, their evil plan will be to take all our freedoms from us. I cannot for the like of me understand shutting down our National Parks, which on average bring in a DAILY 75 million dollars, now that's enough money alone to start paying this so called debt back that was printed of mere paper, it's just paper people. Sorry to get off the subject, but expect lots more changes to come & remember this country was founded by great men that believed in the fact that government should not control the people but better yet we should control the government. Fear is the name of the game. I mean mandated medical care or face punishment & yes even jail. I don't believe that unless we make a change & stop being a nation of obese, & lazy people, than it's off to the FEMA camps & martial law & to those who think I'm just some conspiracy thinker, you will be the first to fall. I LOVE THIS COUNTRY, not one of either sides of my families have not fought the many false wars since WWll. God Bless America & to all those whom suffer from chronic pain I wish the best to you all. Good Luck to you all, Shirley.

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Quality vs Quantity !
Brand Percocets are in a league of
they're own.
It's like comparing Professionel Football
with College Football .
Some say they're both just football !
Is they're a difference ?
I'll leave that up to you.
Since my expierience would just be
considered as an opinion.

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Jackpot !
Nothing more to say.

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Jackpot !
Nothing more to say.

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I've never noticed a difference from generic to brand name. Just the price. Been on pain management for 10 years. My quality of life is awful without it. It's definitely a personal choice though. I personally enjoy a pain free life. :) to answer your question? You should be able to google pain clinics in your area. Also, your family doctor should prescribe until you find another Pain Management facility as withdrawls can be deadly.

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Wow. Thank you for your political input.

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There is a slight drop on the amount of Oxycodone in Endocet, but it is very small. Sounds like you have a bigger problem than not feeling the same. You my friend have an addiction to pain killers. If you are on here posting on the differences and saying your body doesnt feel the same, and have been on them for 2 years...you defintely have a drug problem. Either seek an alternative method for dealing with pain, enter into drug rehab, or for whatever ails you get surgery. Dont tell me an excuse on pain or whatever other rebuttal you wish to provide. I know...I was once there. You are a drug addict. A bot forward I know, but wake up and seek help. @ years?!!!! Yes, you are addicted and are in denial. You need a better way of life my friend. Your doctor is obviously enabling you. Unless ofcourse you tell me you have cancer and are in your last stages...other than that, seek assistance through rehab.

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Fentynal is a terrible drug! Did nothing for my pain, found myself going through withdrawal a good day before it needed replacing. Please note...NEVER CUT THIS PATCH. Because of the way it is time released, if you cut it, you damage the binders in them. You then would get too much of the drug at once, thus an overdose. So sorry for your loss!

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Sorry for Your Pain; But that statement makes no sense!!! I happen to be a patient that requires round the clock pain relief from pain levels that if not medicated, I would either have a stroke or heart attack!! I feel had your son received better instruction on taking his medication timely or exercised greater restraint along with either having his DR. modify his pain medication to accommodate his pain level or just a break through medication on a timely basis, he would still be with us now!!!

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Very well said. I had cervical spinal surgery. Surgeon perscibed percocet. Pharmacy filled it with endocet. I got absolutely no relief. Endocet sucks. I paid full price for percocet (non generic) Changed pharmacies with subsequent script. New pharmacy said they don't use endocet and filled with oxycodone.
Finally got relief. The medical system is screwed up.

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No I have to disagree you could blindfold me give me endocet and then when it was time for my next dose give me the oxycodone and I could tell you which was which just by the pain relief I recive... all in all the same maybe in composition but not in actual relief....

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I've been taking percocet 10/325's for a number of years for chronic nerve damage. They are my breakthru meds. Not to exceed 3 per day. I also take 10 mg Oxycontin twice a day. I have Sacroillitis plus 3 chronic Sciatic paths.I swiched pharmacies & they gave me Endocet 10/325, generic for Percocet. I've been in withdrawal since yesterday. No sleep, pain unmanaged, cancelled my plans today cos I'm laid up with the shakes! Goosebumps, cramps! I took my reg med dose so why is this happening? This is a physiological reaction, not my imagination!

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I'm in the same boat. Got endocet yesterday and have been in withdrawls since yesterday. I don't care if their the same on paper. This is not imaginary. No sleep, chills, cramps, body aches, cancelled my day.I took my reg dose, why is this happening?

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I've had various forms of Percocet, oxycodone/acetaminophen generic the most. I just got Endocet from a new pharmacy and I notice no difference at all. If anything, I thought I felt it more. It's made by the same manufacturer as Percocet and I've had no withdrawal symptoms at all, feel the same. You shouldn't feel withdrawal so quickly, even if you weren't taking anything. Even if it was half the strength, you wouldn't have the withdrawal. Maybe something else or you were given the wrong med. Always check your meds. I've had the wrong pills a couple times mixed in. Never assume they're ok, especially generic. Check all markings.

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Been taking legal Percocet 10/325 for chronic nerve pain & Sacroilliitis for years. Took new script to new pharmacy cos walgreens, my pharmacy is out. New pharm gave me Endocet.I got severe tremors & blurred vision within an hr of taking it. Looked it up & found out it has interactions with FIVE other meds I take! The tremors& vision stuff is probably related to the high dose
of gabapentin I take. I'm also really sickwith withdrawals.I was awake 4 nites in a row!!! I don't care what it says on paper, this formulation is not the same! I never had problems with my Percocet. I even had to change the time I take my Contin (20 mg per day) cos of the reactions I'm getting. My Doc is out of town til end of month. Trying to taper off them which makes me sick too.Im between a rock & a hard place. been sick as a dog for two weeks or had blurred vision up to four hrs & full body tremors. I'm filing a report with the FDA. Link is on medchat. Anyone else sick from an Endocet sub? Dope abusers & skeptics don't bother to answer. Thanks

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I am so very sorry for your loss. I am also sorry that you clump all pain med users into one category. I have been on Percocet for 10 years. I take a low dose for a chronic user (60 mg's day). In 10 years I have NEVER had to increase me dose. I went from being an active & busy mom of 5 boys to being bed-bound for several years. I finally found a DR who said I needed pain med's so that I could regain an active (semi) life again. It worked. My med's are stored in a safe & I have a perfect use record for 10 years. I work very hard to get better using natural care & treatment as well. I use my narcotics as a stepping stone to recovering from my health condition. Before I began my med's, I seen 5 types of experts (addiction-to diagnosing chronic pain to psychiatrists, etc.) to determine if I was a high risk patient for addiction, abuse or if I was lying. On day 6 the entire team came together at one table with myself & my husband & without hesitation, they approved me. They ALL had agreed that narcotic chronic pain med's were the answer for me. I have never abused my med's or lied to my DR's. I am so grateful for the ability to have this treatment option. I suffered for years prior from trying all sorts of treatments & med's that would not work for me. My children (3 are adults now) are all grateful for this option & how it changed my life for the better. 15% of chronic pain sufferer's who use narcotic treatment options abuse their medications...does that mean that the other 85% must suffer just because someone else makes poor decisions for their life? Anyone (21 & older) can drink as much alcohol as they so choose & everyone says "It's their choice to drink & their choice to be an alcoholic. When taken correctly, narcotics are far less destructive than alcohol but yet people want to decide what is best for me based upon some idiots CHOICE to abuse a medication. McDonalds has a worse health effect on the body & mind than narcotics taken correctly. I don't eat fast food, sugars (natural or otherwise) carbs, etc. so can I take unhealthy food away from the population because I know how bad it is on the mind & body? I get asthma from perfume, can I make the population stop using perfume & colognes? These chemicals are bad for their health as well & it actually affects others too. My medication affects only me. If some druggy wants to abuse med's & die or go to rehab, that is their personal choice to do so. I don't care so long as I am not paying for their decision. Again, I am sorry & heartbroken for your loss, however, I don't believe that other peoples mistakes & tragedy's should dictate the outcome of my life/future. Dr's are always being blamed for patients addictions but have we forgotten "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" in this nation? Addicts lie & it is very difficult at times for a DR to try to determine who is lying & who is telling the truth. The DR to should be free to make his/her best judgment & leave the ultimate responsibility up to the patient & that is who should be held accountable...the PATIENT. I wish everyone the best. If you feel that a loved one is abusing any intoxicant, you have 2 choices, try to get them help or allow them to suffer the consequences of their actions.

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No, I do not believe it is you! Same thing happened to me. When I looked at the bottle and realized they were different I went right back to the pharmacy and returned them. They were not too happy with me but I know what I have to go through. It is so unfair to mess with people's pain management in this way. From what I understand and I apologize if I am wrong, it is all in the way your liver metabolizes drugs. I have been in some very difficult positions when taking antidepressants, anti-inflammitories, even gravel or sinutab affects me negatively. They finally put on my file...no substitutes.

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