White Round Pill Subutex 54 411 (Page 7)

I found Subutex in my daughter's room with a needle. Do people really IV this? Why do people take it that dont need it?

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yes u can shoot up subutex

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It all depends on the person who wants to get off pills or herion.I have been on it for 4 years and it works u just want to get off the drugs it all in your head i was on drugs for 15 years and i got off everything.If i can do it anyone can because i used a needle for years.you have to get it off your mind

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"People are not accustomed to thinking hard, and are often content to trust a plausible judgment that comes to mind". - Daniel Kahneman

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Suboxone is now used in severe pain or chronic pain management. I have had a hip and a knee replace and have arthritis. I was eating pain pills during my two replacments and had gotten to the point where I was taking them more for effect than for pain. I have been on Suboxone (generic Subutex) for 4 years now and it has made a huge difference in my quaility of life. It taken as prescribed, it is a wonderful drug. I know of others that are using it for pain managment and it has truly helped them as well. I had a son that died of an accidental drug overdose. He was using fentynal patches and taking percocet. It killed him.

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Bob, you can take subutex as early as you want. You cantake it and do a opiate 10mins later or vice versa.. It was suboxones big brother which they refined necause of this fact.

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no.. bup is bup..doesnt matter if its subutex or suboxone.

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If you plan to induce with suboxone or subutex.. you need to wait at least 12 hours. The best way to do it.. is take your last hit before you go to bed. Sleep.. wake up, if you got the runs.. take 2mg of subutex and 1mg of Klonipin. This will ease you into it.

I highly suggest you find some way to just sedate yourself so you wake up in full withdrawal, that is what I do.. usually Ill wake up.. be a little dope sick, but not enough that I am s***ting myself or anything.. just edgy.. Throw back 4mg of klonipin and Im out for a good 6 hours.. Ill wake up in full withdrawl. At that point I start inducing 2mg per hour. then eventually 4. Until I feel normal.

hope this helped.. this s*** sucks I know.. My main problem is.. I can't eat on this s***.

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Thank you because they are not educated. I am a Medical assistant and is on Suboxone. I have been on it for almost 9 years now (my choice) But it is much better and safer than methadone. I have lived a very good life these past 9 years. I am very happy. I have not been out in the streets or even associate with those people any longer. Suboxone saved me BUT, you have to do the foot work with it in order for your life to change for the better.

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I have been reading this thread for over an hour and felt like it was worth kicking in my 2 cents. I am in my late 30's and used to not even like taking aspirin if I could help it. Then I had a medical issue and my life changed. Firstly, I started on perc 5's after a surgery about 2 1/2 years ago. I honestly didn't know much at the time about pain meds or even that they were opiates like heroin. I used the 5's for a couple months and then made the worst mistake of my life by buying some 10's on the street when the 5's ran out and the doc wouldn't give me more. I LOVED the way I used to feel and all the extra energy in my physically demanding job that they gave me. Well, I went from 2 5's to 2 10's a day in about 3 months. By 8 months I was running through 3-4 a day. I wasn't "pushing the envelope" or taking them to get high but they seemed to give me energy and help me function better than I thought I could on my own. From time to time I would run out for a couple days and be a complete miserable mess that nobody wanted to be around. The first bad WD's I had scared me so bad I thought I would die. After a year I was taking 5 or 6 and didn't get even close to the same euphoria I would get from the 2 10's back when I started. Within 2 years I was at 10 perc 10's a day or 3-4 roxy 30's, whatever I could get, and could see my work performance, personal life, and pretty much everything I'd ever worked for slipping away. I had to eat pills all the time to feel "normal" and wasn't getting the high anymore. Not to mention the 60-90 bucks a day that was rapidly draining my savings and assets. But on the other hand, if I tried to go "cold turkey" I couldn't work at all. I couldn't even see straight to drive a car or hardly get off the sofa for the first 2 days of WD's and couldn't think straight or sleep, or function on any level. I have been through WD's many times but usually only a few days of it. The restless legs at night and the chills/runs/skin crawling was the worst and always worst at bedtime for some reason and would be really bad for 3-4 days and even after almost 2 weeks I was still just going through the motions of life but not enjoying much of it and still feeling occasional wd effects. Exercise helped a little and so did hot showers and smoking pot, so I tried that but days 2-5 were the worst and even after 2 weeks cold turkey I was maybe only at 50% functionality. The physical part of the dependency was only part of it. The mental part was trying to believe I could function without pills but I couldn't overcome the feeling that I would somehow be better with pills in me. So, by this time I really wanted a way out and I got some Methadone from a friend of mine and decided to give it a try. That was the second worst mistake I ever made. The methadone took away the WD's but it put me right back into full blown addiction and I didn't function much better than on the perc's so I decided to quit them. I was irritable, short tempered and usually couldn't think straight, not even as straight as when I was on the percs. HOLY S##t the WD's from the methadone were unbelievably bad. I gave up and I was happy to get back on the perc's just to quit the methadone after the first month because the percs at least made me feel a little "normal". Most of the "high" I used to get was gone by then and I was always tired and my day revolved around pills. When I could get them, how many, where the money came from, everything revolved around pills. I felt I couldn't be social or perform at work without them and I hated that I couldn't get off them without what I was pretty sure would be really terrible WD's and weeks of poor performance and maybe losing my job. My wife was aware of how bad things were but didn't understand how hard it was for me to quit because she thought I was just trying to get high and she even left me at one point for about a week that I was in WD's because I was so hard to be around and all I talked about were stupid pills and the money for our bills always first went to pills and the bills got paid with what was left over. That was the low point for me because I felt trapped. Really trapped by this addiction and I started to lose hope that there was a way out and my tolerance was going up so fast that I was pretty sure I'd be banging heroin sooner or later if my kidneys and liver didn't give up first. I have always heard that everyone has to hit a low point to really want to quit. That was mine.....the prospect of losing everything I'd worked for, but most of all the love of my life, and I knew I wasn't the same person I used to be before pills and I hated that. That was when a friend of mine who had been through the same patterns gave me a Suboxone 8. Ironically I found out about them one night when I called to see if I could score some percs from him and we got in a whole conversation about how much better his life was and I decided to give it a try. The next day he gave me a few Suboxone's (which I wouldn't have tried at the time if I had more percs or roxy's) and I made the mistake of taking it the first day I was out of Perc's and felt kinda stoned and went through the precipitated withdrawals which were hell but didn't last more than a few hours. After that, I started feeling much better. The second day, I took a half in the morning and a half in the evening and felt more "normal" than I had in almost 2 years. But on the suboxone I was worried that if I got hurt at my job (which is dangerous) that I wouldn't be able to stop pain and that is when I was told to try the Subutex. I have been on it now a few weeks and I feel great. I feel more like myself than I have in a couple of years and I'm not worried about not being able to take pain meds if I really need them but so far, so good. I started with 2 a day but within the first week got down to 1. I take melatonin to help sleep and hot showers and exercise a little before bed help me stay asleep all night. For a long time I didn't think I could break the "downward spiral" I was in and that I would end up like some of the unfortunate souls I've read about that got up to 250 or even 300 mgs a day of the poison and really lose everything. I really hope that anyone who suffers from addiction will get the help that they need, and to also know about these wondrous meds and that there is a way out. I am down to half a pill once a day and should be off them in a month and be completely pill free. I am getting more joy out of my day even at work than I thought was possible. Ironically, much of the pain I was feeling everyday was apparently in my mind because once off the perc's my body started feeling/acting better than it has in years even though I was convinced in my addiction that if I stopped taking pills that I would hurt again. My wife is my best friend again, and I can think straight like my IQ went up somehow. I can remember things better, and all the "big" problems in my life when I was on percs seem somehow much smaller and easier to conquer them. Every aspect of my life is better without being a slave to the pills even though I had to start by trading one pill for another. If they are used correctly the subs can give you back your life even better than it used to be and better than you thought was possible. Sorry so long but I hope that maybe someone out there will hear my story and find hope and joy again like I did.

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Oh yeah put her on Methadone, that is SOOOO much better than Suboxone. Get real..Methadone is just as addictive if not more than Suboxone,and there are people that have been on it for years and years. I would take her to a doctor and have her put on the strip version of Suboxone, that cant be boiled and used IV wise because of the naloxone in it.Do your research before you give information.

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Damn some of you are so misinformed. Especially the one girl who was preaching about how subutex will put you into immediate withdraws then continues on about how you just have to "research, research". You can research as much as you want but until you have done it, you need to be quiet you are going to misinform others and spread false information. I can shoot a balloon of heroin and 3 hours later take a subutex and not go into withdrawls, however I cannot get high off heroin again for a little over 24 hours. Suboxone on the other hand would make me want to kill myself if I shot up some H then took one. You can take subs back to back with tex though with no ill effects. to the mom who took a half and didnt feel good you probably should start with a quarter then wait 4 hours and take another. I use to have a perfect system for getting clean when I had binges. I could shoot a half gram of heroin a day for about a week or two then 8 hours or so after my last shot I would take a quarter of a sub or tex then after another couple hours take another quarter, then a couple more hours so I was taking about 3/4 to 1 pill a day. I would do this for 2-3 days, then just take a quarter a day for 2-3 days then I was done. You will have bad withdrawls from subs or tex if you take them for too long, thats why I dont understand these people that do methadone or subs for years and years, you are just trading one addiction for another and not getting to the root of the problem. I have depression and when it gets bad Ill take a half a sub and it helps me out alot, you can still call me an addict if you want but I do what I gotta do to be happy without going into a full blown addiction again. I dont care if youre a doctor or have read up on subs and tex for years, dont spout off second hand hearsay information unless you have been in this situation, no textbook or doctor could ever explain how miserable it can be.

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Thank you so much for your honosty and your help.

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this isn't suboxone. Subutex dosnt have t.he narcon

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OK from page one, WRONG, subuxone or subutex both cause withdrawals if taken too quickly, because it is the buprenorphine causing the withdrawalas, not the naloxone. The naloxone is only in there to discourage intravenous use. Naloxone has little to no absorbtion sublingually, but good absorption if injected. Buperenorphine out-competes full-agonist opioids, wether it's from Subutex or Suboxone. It's the BUPE that causes withdrawals. There isnt enough Naloxone to cause withdrawal sublingually, only intravenously. Why is this so hard for people to understand??

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i was given half of a subutex 54 411 do i put this under my tounge like soboxin or do i swallow it? will i get sick?

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I haven't posted on this thread in a few months, and I have noticed people are basically still posting the same responses over and over. I figured I'll do the same. Several times on this thread I have said that everyone is different; that's always been my basic message. I know people who have gotten sick from taking Subutex or Suboxone too soon after getting high. However, I've never had that problem and I know and have heard of others not having that problem either. I personally can actually use opiates recreationally without getting "addicted." Yes, I might feel like crap for a couple days after just because I'm getting older and I've done so much of it in the past, but I don't get sucked into the world of full blown addiction and needing it every day. It's like going on a drinking bender over the weekend and being hungover Monday and Tuesday. And I do like to have Subutex or Suboxone on hand when I do it just in case I do feel like crap after. It was the same way with me and cigarettes. I know people who have gone through hell to quit, whereas I used to smoke a 1 1/2 - 2 packs a day and quit cold turkey with no trouble whatsoever. Again, everyone is different. Just because it happened to you doesn't mean it happens to everyone else.

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Under the tongue, my friend. I don't know why you would get sick unless you just got high within the last few hours, and you happen to be one of those individuals who gets sick from taking it too soon after doing dope or whatever is your opiate of choice. I personally have never had that problem, but some people do. But if you haven't taken anything in a while or 24 hours, or if you're already feeling pretty nasty withdrawals, I would think you'd be fine. Only one way to know for sure though! Again, everyone's different.

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I was a heroin user for a couple of years which started out with a pain killer addiction from a car accident. I got on Methadone and it did work and got me off the heroin, BUT is is extremely addictive itself and I slept all the time. I then went from Methadone to Suboxone strips. After a few days on the Suboxone I actually felt clear headed for the first time in a long time. I will say that if you are using heroin heavily that you probably have a better chance at staying off of it going on Methadone first because you do still get a euphoric affect, but Suboxone is a "better" drug to be on when it comes to health affects and WD. Im not sure if I would have been able to stay clean if I had gone straight to Suboxone from heroin. Some can, Ive seen alot not be able to. I saw many more go to Methadone and stay off heroin.

There's been alot of questions regarding taking other opiates before or after taking Subutex or Suboxen, and alot of responces that are NOT correct. Subutex and Suboxen are NOT the same medication. They are the same active ingredient, buprenorphine(sp?). Subutex has just buprenorphine as it's main active ingredient. Suboxone on the other hand is buprenorphine AND Naloxone combined. Naloxone is an opiate blocker which is often used to help bring people "back" that have overdosed from opiates. If you are taking Subutex you do not have to worry about taking opiates before or after. If you are taking Suboxone you DO have to be mindfull of when you took your last opiate beforehand. Of course this varies from person to person but taking Suboxone while an opiate is still active in your system can lead to violent WDs. This is why any Dr that prescribes Suboxone will monitor you and make sure that you are in stage 3 or "full withdrawl" before medicating you. The reason for adding the Naloxone to the Subutex was to try to prevent people from misusing the medication and to discourage people from continuing to use while on the medication. Usually you will not go into WD if you take an opiate AFTER taking Suboxone, but while the Naloxone is still affective in your system for 24-36 hrs after taking it, the affects of the opiate will be diminished greatly. So I repeat, while Subutex and Suboxone both have the same main active chemical in them, they ARE NOT the same medication.

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Yes subutex is good to take the day after an opiate. Its to not kick in withdrawals. And it takes the craving away to do opiates

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Just smoke marijuana people - it's natural and safer!!

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