How To Snort The New Formula Opana Er (Page 8)
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I became a pain patient after I fell off a horse in March of last year and sustained spinal injuries which are still VERY painful. Opana ER was the first thing doctors gave me that helped at all and now that they have changed the formula I'm in a lot more pain. I want to break down the formula so I can insufflate it, as I am told I may get more pain relief and increase bioavailability of the drug. The new formula hardly offers the same pain relief, Please help me!

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I tried cymbalta for my chronic GI pain as directed by my pain management quack. It had drastic negative results and didn't do anything for pain. Imagine a 30 something man going to tears for no reason over something so trivial as who took the trash out. I don't think it has any place in pain management for most people and it aggravated my GI condition making it worse which made the pain worse. The negative side effects took a couple months to appear and years to go away. I am still partial to fentanyl patch because it is so convenient to use and doesn't need to be modified in any way to work.

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I would ask your doctor about a fentanyl patch. My doctor switched me to a patch and small dose of oxycodone for breakthrough pain. I no longer have the ups and downs between pills either and don't have to wake up in the middle of the night to take a pill most of the time. You need to be able to change it every 3 days and I suggest using a non moisturizing soap like Ivory to wash before you apply it so it sticks well. If your pharmacy gives you Milan brand patches mylan will ship you askinaderm covers free to help them stay in place. Youneed to call Mylan and order them. I also suggest putting the patch onwhile yourskin is still moist fromshowering not soaking wet but just toweled dry. The moisture makes stheadhesive seemto stick better.

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POST # 485 DONNIE...

Hello Donnie, how are you doing this day? Welcome and thank you for your honesty. It is a struggle every day for addiction of all kinds, especially when times get tough those pills can seem to make things numb and make us seem to forget or pass time by without worries for a time being, I am happy you decided to make a change...How is your pain doing without the medicine, or did you not experience enough pain to live without them? They are prescribed so easily, and even more easily addicted.

We all have positions in life, church members, fathers, mothers, children, but we all still need help at times in our lives. Thank you for your honesty on here, it just helps others realize how many of us are truly going through the same issues, and you have helped already I am sure. We would like for you to stay here with us if you choose to, and stay positive and know we all here, wont judge, we know exactly how you feel Donnie...;) Proud of you, and we all need someone at one point in our lives...Hey, what do you do now to surpass the thoughts of those pills, maybe it can help some of us out...Suggestions, anything is good.

HI EVERYONE, I MISS YOUR POSTS, ARE YOU ALL DOING OK.? I know we are all busy and have lives, I just wanted to say hi and see how your all feeling?
I wish I could go back while writing this and jot all of your names down, but you know I am directing it towards all of you on here...I think of you everyday, I really do...Oh, the house is coming along, it seems like the painting will never end, but I hope to be in my new house by July 1st...;) hugs to you all and have a good night..

Vktoria..;)

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To EVERYONE POSTING..;)))

Hello everyone, I am so sorry for not responding sooner but very happy to hear you all talk so positively and up-beat..WOW, what a change this forum has gone to..From sharing how to abuse pain medications (To relieve our pain and misery) to going to trying to better our lives and move forward without the "doctors" orders.

Funny how some of these physicians go many years to school to learn to heal pain, cause patients to have a better way of living, but without their knowledge it is causing a road to even more help because of the side effects these medicines are causing us. Here we are, all normal every day people with caring hearts, helping each other out without a degree of doctrate, and were more help than they are most of the time..BECAUSE WE KNOW THE LONG TERM AFFECTS...;)

You all are AMAZING individuals, I wish we could all get together and be there physically for one another, but DAYUM...we are dojng pretty good here arent we? ;) having someone to talk with, share feelings of similarity, and having non judgmental opinions, is one of the most powerful tools we can ask for, thank you everyone for helping each other out. Its a good feeling to do so, and also raises awareness of whats coming, going on, and what to be expected...;))

I just want to say, IT IS A PLEASURE TO TALK WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, you help me, others, and bring hope to many as well...What do you think about starting our own blog, for many others to follow and join? We all could bring hope and help if wanted to many others...I will design it and get it ready, just let me know and I will get it ready next week..I love the good feeling in here, what good hearted, caring people we all are...Lets not stop, but make it more accesable for others who may need our help, I truly enjoy reaching out to others, and you all do as well, I can tell by your posts, and you have helped so many already.. Keep positive thoughts..My Uncle Mike was diagnosed with cancer, terminal cancer over 12 years ago, and he is STILL living a full life and winning,,,with a positive attitude that he isnt going to allow the disease to win...What an inspiration and proof that our minds can win!!!!! Love you all for who you are, I truly do..Good people are right here...;) have a great day everyone...

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I to used to snort 30 and 40 mg opana about four years ago. I also was a 40 something father husband and long term church member deacon played guitar for worship. and relized one day i to was addictted an did not like it. An so i quit cold turkey also. it was the hardest 15 days of my life. I also questioned wether i would live. but i did. and am quite reluctant to ever do it again.

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Not only do they not relieve pain, they go through the gastro-intestinal system like a ball of barbed wire. I' also defecated intact pills.

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Does anyone else take Cymbalta for neuropathic pain...have been on it a long time and have had really good results!!!

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Dear Vktoria,

I am so sorry to have not responded sooner, I see you post and you are very kind and helpful but I have just come off a 3+week hospitalization and surgery. I did break my ankle and leg, I took a fall down the stairs, and ironically I just read some of your posts regarding Lyrica and that is how and why it happened. I too felt intoxicated, so dizzy and out of sorts, I got up to get a drink b/c it also made me thirsty, didn't want to bother my husband and boy did I bother him after that! I ended up needing surgery as it was a complex injury but that is not even why I am on pain medication. I put off answering this b/c it's draining to talk about, my bone marrow is failing me, without going into the long and boring details of it, it is a devastating blood disorder that is similar to Aplastic Anemia and as a result I become catastrophically ill, additionally I have a number of auto immune disorders, the most troublesome at the moment being severe Crohn's Disease. I am terminal, but have beat the predictions many times so I say a doctor will not decide my time but G-D will, and he knows I have a son graduating from medical school and another in his senior year of college with a bright future. I wouldn't dare try to pick them up, haha, at 6 ft. 3" and 6 ft. 1", that alone would have me bedridden! I think Susan or BlueEyez has the little ones, I miss them little, I had them young, ironically to have time to travel and spend more time w/my husband, now I am grateful that I was able to see them through what I was initially told would never happen. My illnesses are complex and painful, I am just out of a long surgery related to my Crohn's disease, so the leg and ankle were just a bonus, I was only taking 100 mg Lyrica, they wanted me at 600 mg, I can't even fathom what that would do so no more Lyrica for me, it's interesting that some people rave about it and I personally had a miserable experience, much like yours. Have to run and feed my hubby, but it's really nice to "chat" with you, I apologize for not doing so sooner. Wishing you all a good night.

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Dear Chaos,

Thank you so very much for your kind words, I'm glad even from my bed that I could make a difference for someone else. Now I don't know if you are talking to me regarding the MS Contin 60 mg, but I have taken this drug and have extensive experience, but I don't understand what you are asking, how do you want to take this medication and is it effective for you, how is it prescribed and how long have you been on it? If you give me some background, I can probably be of more assistance. Thanks and have a pain free night!

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BRYNN thank you for your sincere love and advice, to ppl you don't even know. You ate a reminder that there are still good ppl around. I like the fact you ate misjudgment all, but just not wanting any1 to go thru the anguish/ mistakes. MAY GOD KERP YOU STRONG#

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I TAKE 60 mgs MSCONTIN, do you think this method would have more bioavailability? Well I know it would, I apologize, I'm trying to ask if u know any1 whose done this with MSCONTIN or any other time released similar to your rx and my rx?

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Dear BlueEyes,
I can't tell you how happy I was to see your post, it is HUGE, you did it, just enjoy that and take it one day at a time. I think if you make it too rigid, like needing to do something every single day, you might set yourself up for failure. I have done what you have and you feel so good, that moment of normalcy. I know exactly what you mean but I'm sure, just like the rest of us, you have some limitations so you must find a way to respect those while not feeling useless. Also, I hope this will help you, talk to your doctor about sedation, there are medications you can take that will help with that sleeping all the time feeling. I have been there, I too loved sleeping all of the time but again the double-edged sword b/c the guilt it induced of not being productive and not getting out of bed for me, was worst than the physical pain. I think it's Nuvigil, there are different kinds, they are generic but pricey, if you have insurance your doctor should be able to get you some sort of exception and try it for a month to see if it helps, it helped me immensely, I could fight the depression over-sleeping and the added effects of the medication and fatigue caused by my condition. That allowed me to have more "lawn mowing" days so to speak, which led to happiness and really took my focus off the pain medications b/c distraction and feeling fulfilled are surprisingly effective at keeping the need to self-medicate away b/c the hole you are trying to fill, won't be nearly as deep. Be kind to yourself, you might have a few bad days, it's normal, focus on your victories, celebrate them, this is a tough thing you are going through, I really do get it. I miss my old self, but now I am trying to like the new me, and you know what, I'm finding w/the love and support of my husband and friends, they didn't love me b/c I had an awesome career and could do anything at any time, they like me, my heart and soul and that hasn't changed. You are still a wonderful and capable woman who got dealt a difficult hand that no one, who hasn't been through it, will ever fully understand. If you, as I have, keep waiting for the before version of yourself, you will miss out on so much time before you realize, she may not be coming home, but the new you I can tell is just as amazing. To be able to post so openly takes courage, it says a lot about your personality, I would even go so far to suggest you are somewhat of a perfectionist and used to be able to do everything and do it exceptionally well, always saying yes. Now you are still a caring, warm and intelligent woman, nothing has changed other than you have defined yourself (as did I) by what you did and not who you are and it is a difficult mind shift to make, but once you accept your limitations, allow yourself a day of rest, look into a medication to ease the sedation effects of all of your medications combined w/the depression and I think you will be much better off. You like sleeping (so do I) b/c you are really tired and it's a cycle that is difficult to break, also look into some supplements, I use B12 sub-lingual, things that are natural for energy but I think your best bet is a prescribed medication specifically designed for patients like us that do have fatigue related to our pain, illnesses & depression that all put together will make you dog tired! Congrats, I hope you keep us posted. Oh and yes, I hate the complicated word verification they use, they are so long and I can't see well so it's just annoying to me. I wish you the best!!

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Hello Brynn, Vktoria, Bob and all.

VKTORIA, moving into a "new to you" house is a HUGE undertaking! Past experience reminds me how fun, exciting, frustrating, exhausting, and thrilling the whole process can be. I hope you aren't doing more than your body can handle; backslides are always a bite.

BOB: Ditto what Vk said about Neurontin. It is among the meds I currently take, and the generic (gabasomethingtrin) is not expensive. Personally, I have no side-effects from a 450mg pill other than it helps curve the spike of nerve pain.

I am very proud and excited to share that I got up today, got dressed, climbed on the lawn mower, and cut grass today. This is momentous for me, and I hope, pray, really need it to not be a "one-time" event. It was marvelous to see the sky, the white puffies, and to smell the cut grass. I got drizzled out 80% the way through, and I would like to finish up tomorrow.

At any rate, today was a good day. I'll take it!

Does anyone else get amused by the changing instructions for the Word Verification on this site? Don't know why, but it tickles my funny bone :-)

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Hi hi everyone, bob maybe the Neurontin will work better for you, its the same base medicine just different effects on myself, i really didnt get any side affects from the neurontin than a bit sleepiness, but thats why I take my medicines at night cause most of them cause a bit marked drowsiness and helps me sleep anyways. I use to take Ambien and still do once inawhile but found that to be a bit habit forming as well, dayum....Almost every pill is habit forming isnt it..

Wish me luck tomorrow, its my court date for this rediculous case i have going on..Im going to get a lawyer or maybe even represent myself?? But I wont be representing just myself, I will be trying to represent all of us...

Ok, I am going to do my homework, and go to the house and continue painting, OMG im so tired of paint bruahed and rollers, lol...ok have a great day everyone and Im always thinking of ya..;)

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Thanks VK will bring up to Doc on next visit for sure! Hope everyone here has a great day!
Bob

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TO BOB, BRYANN, BLUE EYEZ, EVERYONE..;)))

Humor is great for all of us, its definately a great breakthough from our everyday stresses and reality..;) Weird you mentioned Lyrica, I was taking that RX for my Fibromyalgia. I never really paid much attention to the drug until you posted it, lol...I was like a soace jockey on that stuff..Mentally I wasnt even there sometimes and it made me forget a lot..Thats funny you were texting with your remote control, Im not laughing AT you, just with you...I can just imagine you doing that...lol Anyways I ended up getting off the stuff and switched to NEURONTIN..I dont seem to be having no where near the problems I did with Lyrica, and it has diminished the amount of Migraines and My fibromyalgia does still flare up, but is better..;) Maybe mention Neurontin??

Brynn..Would you mind telling us all that you have injured and what has happened to get you to this point? Not being able to pick your children up, hurting and lying in bed..Maybe if we know more of your injuries and situation, I and we can help you and direct you towards some other options and begin helping one another?? Also that goes for all my other posters on here...like that, POSTERS.? Lol I was just figuring if we all know our injuries, maybe we can start from there and begin our talks right from the start, opionions, and also maybe some other options to try for each other?

I apologize for not posting as much, I do sincerely care for you all, I have just bought a new "Not new but new to us" home and we are in the process of painting, fixing it up, and doing all the stuff I wish to do to my home with my new hubby..(married almost 5 years) and away from a HUGE Walking BAD PILL, (ex husband) that caused a lot of my pain mentally and physically.

Anyways, I will get back to you guys tonight ok..;) keep your thoughts positive towards getting better because IT WILL HAPPEN...Mental healing is the most amazing power to begin healing our bodies...I TRULY believe this and have experienced it myself..;)

Love ya guys..Talk to you soon..

Vktoria...(VK)...;))))

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Lol, Thanks!

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You know it lol!! Those suckers are like little rocks and require patience, spit, and domination of edges first! Humor is always appreciated!

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Dear Brynn
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YOU GET IT!! You state so eloquently EXACTLY how and what I feel. Unlike you, though, I love to sleep. It's a huge problem and probably my biggest obstacle to reclaiming the parts of my life that can be reclaimed. Sleeping passes the time and allows me to disappear.

You asked about meds. Opana er 20, opana ir 10 (breakthrough) neurontin 1200 daily. For full disclosure, I also take generic Zoloft 200, klonopin 1mg, and ambien 10. Both pm dr and internist are fully aware of what the other prescribes. If I'm honest, I think the klonopin has the biggest teeth. I've been taking the Zoloft, klonopin, and ambien for about 7 years--long before my injury and surgery for anxiety.

When I first admitted the depression to my pm dr. He suggested the Zoloft should suffice for both anxiety and depression. I already rattle when I walk from all the pills I take, and I'm not looking for a magic pill.

My immediate family knows I'm struggling with depression. I'm not the same woman I used to be, and I never will be. I physically can't. While my new limitations are mild compared to some -- for instance an injury resulting in total loss of use/feeling of limbs -- I still have to face I will never be the strong, independent, able-bodied woman I was. I can't pick up the kids in my family or wrestle on the ground with them. I can't work and be a productive member of society. I had a fantastic career, I was good at what I did, I had a positive affect on many people who worked for me. I used to make a difference.

My family knows I cannot deal with "surprise" outings. I manage best with one-on-one contact that is planned. (And then I spend energy dreading it until I'm actually "in the moment" of the activity.

I had the best day ever (in 2+ years) last week. My brother planned a "get out of the house and drive around in his convertible" date with me. We drove around in the country and stopped at a wildlife preserve. He was content to just sit in the car with me...and I wanted to walk the 25 yards to the lake. I was moved beyond words when he pulled a fishing pole out of the trunk. We used to catch and release many many years ago, and it always brought me joy. We only cast a few times...had a few nibbles, but no bites. I haven't felt so ALIVE and connected to the world around me since before my injury. Now why can't I just get my ass up and do this on my own?! I KNOW how good it makes me feel, and it's such a simple thing to do! Gawds, I hate who I've become! My world gets smaller and smaller as I sleep and sleep...letting muscles atrophy...looking forward to...sounder sleep? This is not living, damnit.

As I wrote earlier, I know, intellectually, what is happening and how to fix it, but I feel frozen and stuck.

I will never be the person I used to be. I will never be normal again. I can put on a great stage face when I have to, but I'm exhausted for days afterward.

It helps to get it out, and I fervently hope to look back on these posts as the beginning of becoming whoever it is I will become. I hope I'll like her. I hope she will be more than a slug who holes up in the bedroom and sleeps away life. I WANT to FEEL again and be a part of the world around me. Yes, the sun on *my* face...maybe even tossing a genuine smile to those people you mentioned who are walking their dogs. These posts are just the thoughts and feelings running through my mind at the moment. I probably sound like a nut case.

Aahaa, maybe I am. But I sincerely thank you for listening. It's awfully one-sided. I feel very narcissistic writing about me, me, me. Maybe I should keep a journal, but damn, the feedback is so refreshing. I've always strived to live by the motto, "in order to HAVE a friend, you must first BE a friend." I'm genuinely sorry...I just don't have it in me.. Yet.

Thanks again. I really think you GET IT on more than an intellectual level. It seems you have genuine empathy. And for that, I'm both grateful (for me) and saddened (for you). Nobody deserves to feel this...

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Vitoria:

I love your attitude and positive "you can do it!" messages. Personally, I'm just not there yet. Writing on this thread is a HUGE first step for me, yet I realize (and admittedly hide behind) that I have a long road ahead of me. While I am no longer on the mega-doses of opiates I was taking pre-surgery (fentanyl patches, OxyContin, morphine, etc) which were all prescribed by a well-intentioned pm dr to allow me to continue working. I thought I was going to die when, the day after surgery, the nurse gave me a 5 mg Percocet for post-operative pain. Thanks to my brilliant and compassionate neurosurgeon, who realized I, through no fault of my own, was severely over medicated... caught up in the bureaucracy of work-related injuries. He orchestrated a verrrry slow tapering regimen for me to employ at home, when he would have admitted other patients like me to an in-patient detox facility. And thanks to him and a very supportive husband, who monitored and distributed my meds, I was able to discontinue the regimen I was originally taking.

I started seeing a different pm dr. who has me on a more appropriate schedule of pain meds (opana er and opana ir in moderately low doses 20 and 10 mg respectively).

The problem, for me, feels like the absolute depression (I'm a lifelong "sufferer" --I hate that victimizing term-- of anxiety) and now that my WHOLE LIFE has changed, I am very can't-get-my-s***-together-enough-to-get-out-of-bed depressed. I am no longer able to work, and I used to be one of those A-type personalities who, in a large part, identified who I was by my success at work.

I feel like I have no purpose in my life. Directionless. No goals. Failure.

I hope, one day, to be able to get some joy from the things I used to love doing in my free time: reading, knitting, young kids in my family circle, sunshine on my face. At this point, I cannot even concentrate well enough to read, so I now listen to books on my ipod, which has been a Godsend on one hand, but also enables me to remain bed-bound.

Intellectually, I know what I need to do in order to start living again. I understand the steps I need to take. I WANT to feel sunshine on my face again...and each day I make a plan to take at least one small step toward reclaiming my life, and then I promise myself I will start "tomorrow," or "on Monday" or just plain "soon."

I really do not want to come across as whining. Please understand that by admitting and sharing my feelings IS a first and cathartic step for me. I never intended to post or share on this thread (especially titled "how to snort...") but here I am...feeling very exposed and a bit scared. But here I am anyway...mostly because of the acceptance and encouragement I see among the core group here and the welcoming of newbies. So many groups are exclusive, yet this one feels INCLUSIVE, and it feels SO good to stand before all of you -- naked, raw, all character flaws exposed -- and welcomed anyway. Thank you for that.

Meanwhile, I plan to shower first thing tomorrow and, if my riding lawn mower is back from the shop, I plan to get outside and spend at least one hour in the sun doing something I used to find joy in doing. Tomorrow...if the mower is back, if weather permits. First thing tomorrow...

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