How Can I Get Prescribed Subutex Instead Of Suboxone (Page 3)

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i get sick everytime i take my dose of suboxone. I throw up everytime. but my doctor will not switch me to the subutex even though it is in my charts that i have yaken the subutex and never got nausiated. what do i need to say or do to get my doctor to understand and switch me? i also have severe intestinal problems that get aggravated with the suboxone, what can i do. i do not want to quit treatment but i cant keep throwing up everyday all day. please someone help me.

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Sadly I was abusing suboxone and subutex intravenously for years. Nothing different in the two except that I would have much rather had subutex when I did it.

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i feel you pain brother just like a diabetic needs insulin so it is with opiate addicts and methadone/subutex....i been going to my doctor 3 years and they are starting same ignorance ...it starts out about helping the patient ....then as they get filled up with a waiting list they become arrogant and it becomes about greed....the thing is methadone is a one dose a day drug, i am use to doing ten fixes a day so its part of my addiction how i deal with that psychologically i need three administrations a day .....i am scared to death ...i am even considering H because i am tired of worrying will this be the last month i get the meds that has changed my life....that would be like us not wanting to give insulin to diabetics ....and this suboxone subutex war is stupidly ridiculous..... we all know that the bup fills in your receptors and if the receptor are full of bup ,no other opiate can get in thus blocking the dope from releasing dopa- mine... there is no difference but i dont like suboxone it makes me depressed and like iam want to come out my skin....but the blocker is not naloxone that is a misused term if you want my uneducated opinion....naloxone neutralizes opiate ....bup fills the receptors and blocks any othter dope from getting you high ....why because the bup is already in there and then it builds like a bridge between the other receptors filling them as well....so go out and waist your money on dope it will not do anything but piss you off, and being the subs have a two day half life they end up blocking the same amount of time as the naloxone is in your system....but between the law makers big pharma and the lobbyist, addicts have no chance man, and it drives us all from what is a life saving miracle back to some vomit filled gallery on the streets....whats worse is not knowing what power the legal or illegal drug dealers will wield over our lives tomorrow...i do know it takes stability and consistency to survive this thing and it may take a lifetime, but nobody cares about junkies we are junk....thats the harsh reality of it

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That does not work. As they give me migraines and my Dr said suboxone or the program isn't for. Me...

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Illegal drugs? lol. these are detoxification medications that are prescribed by doctors. what part of that is 'illegal'

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Hey , I don't know if you have tried to get off methadone but last time in rehab I saw about 30% of opiate dependencies that fail are from methadone. I wouldn't recommend methadone on a post that's asking for a way to get subutex instead of suboxone. Methadone CAN get you high too by the way, subutex can too if both are abused that is. So your points are invalid.

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Weird, I came across this post 2 years later and my own post was there and as I was reading I thought... That sounds about right! Lol and realized it was my own damn post...;)
I'm Jen btw... And I'm still on Sub, it's been 8 years now.... I haven't been on this particular thread since the last time I posted. Anyway, I was saying back then that my doctor had a phone call suggesting Methadone rather than Suboxone by the insurance company... I realize the reason behind that is Methadone is cheaper... The insurance companies will cover the opiates themselves. Lol the reason why you're on Suboxone in the first place. They have no problem covering that forever! I don't mind paying for Sub if I absolutely have to, of course who would be thrilled about paying for it forever... But if it meant being clean off the rest I'd be fine with that. When I said why can't it be a life long drug I meant that in general... It's been given to me for years but it's not a maintenance drug....
I'm with the same doctor I was with 2 years ago. I also went on Subutex for a year and a half and here I am again. I did end up getting pregnant which I NEVER thought would happen again. (My first child I had at 18 and I wasn't addicted to anything then and everything was great...) this time I was devastated because I was on Sub and I was terrified to take anything pregnant... However, I was already 2 and a half mos along and the doctors assured me it would be ok and that it was the right thing to do. I could lose or cause harm to the baby and I didn't want that either. I'm so happy to say I had a beautiful baby boy. I was prescribed 2 8mg Subutex a day and not one time did I take more than ONE. In fact, the last 3 months I took less than one. 3 quarters and then the very last month 3 quarters to a half. Due to being a trusted long term patient (never failed a drug screen, never "lost" or misplaced my meds, nothing at all in 8 years) I was able to stay on Subutex for almost 7 months after having the baby so I was able to breastfeed. My baby will be 8 months old in a week and I've been back on Suboxone for 2 weeks now. I noticed almost immediately into taking Subutex that the headaches I was having were GONE. I also suffer terribly with tinnitus which started about 3 months into taking Suboxone 8 years ago. I thought I had water in my ear at first (now I can clearly tell that's not the case at all but I didn't know what it was) I was seen by regular physician, referred to ear, nose, and throat doctor, and had an MRI to rule out anything serious and was diagnosed with tinnitus... I know this is caused by Naloxone now because it went away on Subutex substantially, along with the headaches. Sure enough, I'm back on Sub for two weeks and it's back to headaches and the tinnitus is terrible. It always was, I just didn't know it was from Sub before. I explained this to my current doctor... She doesn't prescribe Subutex at ALL. ( I was transferred to another doctor for my pregnancy and he's full.) She did say if I could find another doctor she's supportive but that's all I can get. :( you'd think that with my track record being an excellent Suboxone patient example in my opinion it wouldn't be too tough to find an understanding doctor but it's damn hard to find one that'll do it. I've had no luck so far and it's depressing me knowing it could be as easy as switching the meds and I'd be pain free. I don't know what to do about it. Knowing Naloxone has done this to me for years makes me sad; the drug that has helped me so much has been dragging me down as well. I'd like to be clean from it all, I think every addict would love to go back to the way it was before opiates... It's going to take me awhile to get off either way and I'd like to do it without the pain and misery from Naloxone.

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How would you go about finding a private or family doctor that would would be licensed?

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Brittany obviously money isn't the reason you can't get yours because how are you looking for a dealer. And P.S. It's illegal everywhere for anyone to get 4 a day. GO TO REHAB

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Suboxone didn't work for me. I waited til I was in full withdrawal and the feeling was so overwhelmed. I thought I was going to die. I started shaking and had a seizure.I had to use five bags of heroin to get me out the gate. Everybody can't use Suboxone bcuz of the naloxone. I don't know what to do.

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That is completely wrong. Subutex is buprenorphine, the naltrexone in the suboxone is what makes you sick if u take it with any opiates, it's a derivative of narcon. That's why every one wants the subutex.

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I am on feloney probation can i take methadone from a methadone clinic.

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I have been taking subutex for five years now - I cannot take Suboxone as the naltrxone makes me very ill. Find a good doc who understands and will let you stay on Subutex. It can be done and it works very well.

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Yes you can! I was on community corrections, an officer tried to stop me from taking my methadone that was prescribed. I went under Disability Act rights and in there you will find you will have to look for it but you will find no parole or probation officer can make anyone come off of methadone because it is a medical assistant rehab. I've done my research, got my research printed off, and went back in front of the judge. my p.o wanted me to go to rehab to get off at the methadone, and because methadone is a medical assisted rehab, they can not I repeat can not make you come off of it! Do some research research and look under disability acts rights for people on methadone that are on probation or parole. I went through this and she thought she could make me stop, I showed her real quick its against the law. hope this helps you out

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Maybe since you're taking less Suboxone than you were before, you're having slight withdrawal effects?

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I would love to have your help in finally getting treating. I am a very intelligent young man of 24 who has had opiate problem/addiction since 16-17. I graduated highschool with a 3.9 GPA and and currently finishing my last semester in college for a BSBA: majoring in business management/marketing, and possibly pertaining journalism as well. I've never been in trouble with law (drug rellated). I've been very lucky but I am Battling depression due to not living up to my potential and disappointing my family and close friends.

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Change doctors immediately. That is what I would do for sure - I cannot take Suboxone at al - have same - nausea - headaches, depression and all sorts of stuff. Told my new doc this (new back in the day - with him now 61/2 years) and he said, "Well, if the subutex works and does not make you sick then stay on that - " Boom - done and it was that simple. I also take Dilaudid three times a day due to post cancer/chemo nightmare so I take both - very carefully of course but the Sub cancels out any euphoria from the dilaudid and for me it works very well as I have no pain and no euphoric feeling from the D - my doc thinks out of the box - is fair and ethical and super right on and I am super fortunate - I do not know where you are but if you are in Los ANgeles I am happy to refer you - he might take folks from outside of California as well though prob not though I do know docs that do - if you want send me a reply and we can discuss. Happy to.

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How does the Subutex cancel out any euphoric effect without having any Naloxone in it? I thought the Naloxone in Suboxone is what cancelled out the euphoria in opiates due to it being an opiate blocker? Maybe I'm wrong though. Isn't Buprenorphine just a partial?

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Please do write me {edited for privacy} and I will be happy to try to help you to the best of my ability and think I can!!!! Until then - Peace - Carolyne

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I know this is an old post, BUT,,,That is a huge misconception about suboxone, you most definitely can inject it...I have personally watched people do it and it doesn't make you sick...I am not condoning it, I am just saying that everyone thinks that since it has the naloxone in it you cant but you sure can...

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Not sure but it does - I feel no effects whatever from the Dilaudid - fortunately get to stop taking it this month anyway but just sayin - I think the Sub tricks the receptors into thinking they have something there already so the effects of are not felt - for me at any rate.

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